@TeslaInvestors, typical nothing but BS out of you, everything you wrote is dishonest. Go back and focus on "Model 3 is outselling BMW 2/3/4 combined." Remember your response there. You certainly don't represent "TeslaInvestors"- just a PR bot it seems.
@Wade Tyhon, the idea that Saganochi, Spaks and Tamberino for that matter aren't shill shorts is ridiculous. All you have to do is look what they've written over last year. Saying stuff like Tesla to go to $200 or $150 and announcing it as fact, stuff like that out of Tamberino- he'd be about as credible as Chanos or Einhorn or Debord, again Cowen, UBS, Bernstein all clueless shills hypocrites with massive conflicts of interest. These people simply aren't even remotely credible are either paid for or have massive conflicts of interests with petrol derivatives that will sink them when Tesla succeeds.
@Pushmi-Pullyu the wired article was "not in depth" it was sht, most of what Wired does on Tesla is sht, its at the level of MIT Technology Review or 'Ars.' And there was no back-lash, those that load the short interest also load regular stock to dump to drive the short cycle. Not long ago it was discovered that a group the GOP used was hired by the Kochs or other petrol interests to try to smear Tesla to drive down its goodwill with nothing but negative associations in the shill press.
Tesla should never take questions from these entities. Never from firms with derivatives or short activity or a history of doing what amount to negative PR on the firm. These entities do some positive at first to seem credible and then go predictably hyper negative, or just alternate like Debord to push the negative. Musk doesn't give these shill firms money in advertising because he gets it. He should starve them like Jobs did with his secrecy in addition to no ads. Tesla should be transparent in its financial announcements but it should never deal with these people because there purpose is just to distort and harm both Tesla investors and the public.
Never questions from UBS or Cowen or Bernstein or even Goldman now. They are all petrol shills because they are all under water with writing or worse insuring toxic petrol debt. The key is not to take questions from people who want to lie and distort especially not the ones who do it for financial survival or to try to gain financially.
It was not foolish to ignore them these phony 'analysts' because they never ever should have been on the call- Musk acknowledged that because he said "once they were on the call." Need to stop talking to the spin people and do the transparency stuff in writing. Nothing is gained from court of public opinion impromptu interrogation designed to distort the companies image and message. These so called analysts ask stupid glad handed failure implying double bind questions to fuel FUD- their is nothing else going on. They are dishonest and not very intelligent, clearly just unethical puzzle or numbers skulls with no substance, even with degrees from better schools their shill for hire behavior says everything about them. Hoping some of the changes in the internet that are coming (outside of state activity) and part of the back lash that will come as more transparency with yet another collapse of petrol fuel energy (hopefully its peaceful) means we will be able to get rid of firms like Goldman and UBS and all the rest of rigged Wall St.- these are not value added entities they are clear parasites.
If you need a need a grand unified theory of the fraud its very simple. What do home loans, your savings, attempt to steal social security and private and public pensions have to do with banking and breaking the fire wall between investments firms and banking deposits (?) and what do all of these have to do with petrol and derivatives. Might as well throw in the extra 500 billion a year in supposed defense investments during Obama and the silly secret corrupt Federal Budget sequestrations. Its easy to see. Greenspan advising investing in VARs- terrible advice. Tillerson saying he'd fund social security with a carbon tax- trying to hold Social Security hostage with petrol welfare- that to secure continued subsidies for petrol welfare- same with Bush trying to privatize social security. Throw in the petrol bailout wars and austerity bailouts. Why???? Very simple the entire US financial system is being held hostage by the scarcity inducing economics of petrol. Petrol assets are basically underwater junk and have been for a very long time even going back to the Bush admin. Their debt is junk because the assets are junk, and to insure junk debt you have to hide that literally make it blind or illegal to audit or look into the underlying assets. This is what almost all derivatives are, blind insurance of junk debt. That is why energy policy is 'secret,' and why you can't audit the fed. Well just like in 07 we now have quadrillions or of dollars or hundreds of times the global gross products in these things again by the very same fools. Every thing in the US financial system has been leveraged and held hostage by this garbage and they consider it treason not to be part of this ransom- but in reality it is treason to be part of it.
The thing is China and the rest of the world and all the sane people in the US have access to tech better than hot fusion in battery backed solar at latitudes (could wire the energy to the poles if necessary) and they are going up against energy tech from the age of buggies (petrol with its radically lower economic efficiencies.) This is why we now have the latest petrol bailout with tariffs but that is just another transfer payment to petrol, insult on top of insult on top of insult when the ship is already sunk. "When Goldman was saying big oil was never that big that it had to borrow from us to pay its dividends"- that was another clue and this held despite subsides at 150% of revenues. Kelly saying compromise on slavery could have prevented the civil war is another admission, they know petrol is Civil Rights part 2 because without some idiocy like a right to exploit it can't survive. There was a reason beyond HARP that Manhattan was under water as was much of the Eastern seaboard and counties and states are suing petrol firms and an reason essentially all governments signed on to the Paris accord, petrol fuel energy and the petrol dollar are over. US in raising Tarrifs and China in dropping them signals that the US has become to Communist China as Britain became to the US- yesterdays news- demoted. Trying to revert to an energy system that was obsolete 70 years ago is way way, way beyond stupid. China and others grow richer by not using it and gain an insurmountable strategic advantage.
