Mega Thread for Tesla Investors

bwilson4web said:


Still cracks me up.
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Oh. My. Gawd!!

I didn't realize that someone had done yet another brilliant parody of Tesla shorters using that very popular clip from "Downfall".

And this one is so full of references to those following the "story" of Tesla that it's positively overflowing! Not as many belly laughs as the previous anti- anti-Tesla parody... but possibly even smarter.

Hmmm... despite exercising my Google-fu for awhile, I can't find the older one. I see multiple Tesla-related parodies using that clip from "Downfall", sadly not the side-splitting one I remember. Looks like, unfortunately, it has been removed over copyright issues... despite the fact that it clearly qualifies as "fair use" as a parody.
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TeslaInvestors said:
Come on now. Every Tesla car comes with AEB. That is standard in even Corolla and Civic. Now, don't tell me that the driver has to "activate" AEB :)
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In cars from every auto maker, AEB only works under certain conditions. If the car is going too fast or too slow, it doesn't activate. Yeah, "in even Corolla and Civic". That's why auto accidents continue to be so commonplace they're not considered news... unless a Tesla cars is involved. :rolleyes:

And if you didn't even know that, then you have no business commenting on the subject.
 
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Domenick said:
There is no evidence or indication that Autopilot or AEB was or was not involved in this crash. Please consider not presenting speculation as fact. Thank you.
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Actually, we can be pretty sure that Autopilot was not in active control of the car, since it won't allow the car to drive faster than 5 or 10 MPH (I forget which) above the speed limit.

If the car was driving at 125 MPH, then Autopilot must have been disengaged.

Not that "TeslaInvestors" would care, since real facts and Truth are almost entirely contrary to his agenda here.
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TeslaInvestors said:
Less than 3 weeks ago. Elon pronounced in the Q4 earnings call, that he is not worried about demand. And he is not going to start leasing, because it hurts cash flow. Now, Electrek is reporting that (Elon ate a crow on that) and he is starting leasing for Model 3.
Conclusion?
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The reasonable conclusion is to be glad that Tesla's cash flow, and its profit margin on the Model 3, has improved to the point that they are making plans to offer TM3 leases. We knew that was coming sooner or later. If it's sooner, then that's a good sign!

You were not actually trying to make that out to be a bad thing, were you?

Oh, my... BWA HA HA HA HA!
:p :p :cool:

Thanks yet again for keeping us entertained, TeslaShorter... er, I mean "TeslaInvestors".

Even if it is unintentional.
o_O
 
Pushmi-Pullyu said:
Actually, we can be pretty sure that Autopilot was not in active control of the car, since it won't allow the car to drive faster than 5 or 10 MPH (I forget which) above the speed limit.

If the car was driving at 125 MPH, then Autopilot must have been disengaged.

Not that "TeslaInvestors" would care, since real facts and Truth are almost entirely contrary to his agenda here.
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My quoted bit was in response to a post about a lower speed accident. I think you may have it confused with the super high-speed collision in Miami.
 
Domenick said:
My quoted bit was in response to a post about a lower speed accident. I think you may have it confused with the super high-speed collision in Miami.
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Okay, thank you for the correction, Domenick.

I've been assuming any crash in a Tesla car that is severe enough to crush a large portion of the car, and cause enough physical damage to the battery pack that it catches on fire, is a strong indication of excessive speed.

But looking at the details in that article, I don't see that the police said excessive speed was involved... or that they said it wasn't. Perhaps it was, but it would be jumping to a conclusion to state that speeds over 100 MPH were involved, without any supporting evidence.
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Pushmi-Pullyu said:
Okay, thank you for the correction, Domenick.

I've been assuming any crash in a Tesla car that is severe enough to crush a large portion of the car, and cause enough physical damage to the battery pack that it catches on fire, is a strong indication of excessive speed.

But looking at the details in that article, I don't see that the police said excessive speed was involved... or that they said it wasn't. Perhaps it was, but it would be jumping to a conclusion to state that speeds over 100 MPH were involved, without any supporting evidence.
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It's hard to say the speed at which the collision occurred. Definitely not especially slow.
Anyway, I was just trying to be helpful. :)
 
Pushmi-Pullyu said:
In cars from every auto maker, AEB only works under certain conditions. If the car is going too fast or too slow, it doesn't activate. Yeah, "in even Corolla and Civic". That's why auto accidents continue to be so commonplace they're not considered news... unless a Tesla cars is involved. :rolleyes:

And if you didn't even know that, then you have no business commenting on the subject.
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That proves nothing. 99% of cars on road today (OK, my guess) still don't have AEB. Duh, they are older cars.
So, pointing to general auto accident statistics to prove that no one's AEB works is non sense.
Check out SUbaru Eyesight on youtube. 100X better than Tesla's claimed AEB and what not.

In other news, Autonation chairman nailed it today about Elon. God help those lemmings.
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/autonations-ceo-blasts-elon-musk-205838936.html
"There is not another retailer in America that can get away with it (the Model 3 bait and switch)."
 
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TeslaInvestors said:
So, pointing to general auto accident statistics to prove that no one's AEB works is non sense.
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Nice example of a straw man argument. That's not even remotely what I said.

Nobody's AEB works all the time, and altho I certainly won't claim "proof", which by the scientific method is a pretty high bar to reach, I think there is plenty of evidence that AEB doesn't reduce the accident rate by that big a percentage.

So, TeslaShorter, your anecdotal evidence of a case where AEB in a Tesla car didn't prevent an accident, means even less than anecdotal evidence usually does. But of course, since you have never been able to come up with a good argument against Tesla, you have to keep resorting to these incredibly weak, fallacious ones. Flailing and failing.

But then, I guess everyone needs a hobby...
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TeslaInvestors said:
Tesla shares tumble after Consumer Reports criticize Model 3
https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6005445858001/#sp=show-clips

But of course, Elon was quick to cover it up with more lies.
* All problems already fixed!
* Customers can return the car (in theory)! But it is debunked right away!
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And now, Bertel squashes Tesla's latest (ok, just one of the many latest) fraudulent claim that all problems are already fixed.
A survey of Tesla fanatics show many are not happy with the stuff they got after years of waiting and plunking down a fortune,
Europeans are getting the first sour test in their mouths from these colorful California lemons :)

In Europe, Model 3 anticipation turns into Model 3 morosity
https://dailykanban.com/2019/02/in-europe-model-3-anticipation-turns-into-model-3-morosity/
What is even more shocking is that the Model 3 has been made in (somewhat) earnest for more than a year. Normal teething problems should be long solved by now. After Consumer Reports yanked the car’s recommendation, because “owners report problems with paint, trim, and electronics,” Tesla claimed that“the vast majority of these issues have already been corrected through design and manufacturing improvements, and we are already seeing a significant improvement in our field data.” What arrived in Europe sounds very much like a grab bag of the same problems with paint, trim, and electronics.
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<AHEM> Yugo! Trabant!

Complaints about Tesla quality are exactly what I'd expect SHORT sellers to 'sell' which means we don't know. Regardless, I'll rebalance my gold (KL) vs Tesla (TSLA) ratio this next week.

Bob Wilson
 
TeslaInvestors said:
Europeans are getting the first sour test in their mouths from these colorful California lemons :)
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"In Europe, Model 3 anticipation turns into Model 3 morosity"
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Oh look... Daily Kanban published another Tesla bashing article. How repetitious and expected of them. :rolleyes: One might almost think that Japanese auto makers are increasingly worried about competition from Tesla. :cool:
 
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bwilson4web said:
<AHEM> Yugo! Trabant!

Complaints about Tesla quality are exactly what I'd expect SHORT sellers to 'sell' which means we don't know. Regardless, I'll rebalance my gold (KL) vs Tesla (TSLA) ratio this next week.
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Oh look, Consumer Reports just went short on Tesla and removed Model 3 from their recommended list!
But don't be fooled by short sellers and CR review. Hold TSLA, it is as good as gold.

Pushmi-Pullyu said:
"In Europe, Model 3 anticipation turns into Model 3 morosity..​
Oh look... Daily Kanban published another Tesla bashing article. How repetitious and expected of them. :rolleyes: One might almost think that Japanese auto makers are increasingly worried about competition from Tesla. :cool:
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Yeah, I just wish I didn't make that typo mistake in 'taste' in my statement. Otherwise, it was a solid statement to be remembered one day.
Japanese automakers are more worried about cheap Chinese automakers than Tesla.
 
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Domenick said:
Lots of new cars car with AEB, of course. And lots of new cars crash every day. That doesn't mean their AEB was faulty.
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What are you saying here? If the AEB equiped car doesn't avoid the collision it is supposed to avoid, then it is not functioning as expected. Now 'not faulty' is a tricky CYA statement likely Elon/Tesla will give. He will list out thousands of scenarios where it is not supposed to work. But it just means, the AEB is not working as well or not at all. Just see the pedestrian collision video by @bwilson4web . Outlander's system in that particular car may not be "faulty" per se, but it simply performs poorly.

Here is another Tesla AEB/AP failure. AP we don't know. But AEB should have acted. NHTSA said so.
These are huge, static obstructions, like trees, poles and buildings.

https://twitter.com/mj_reports/status/1099809313659518976?s=21

Sadly, Elon's genius ideas to fool around basic things like car door handles seems to have stopped the police from saving the driver here.
https://twitter.com/TRussellCBS4/status/1099838677839167489

"Investigators in Davie are looking into a crash involving a Tesla on S Flamingo Road near 10th. Police say officers tried to save the driver but couldn’t open the door because there was not a handle. Car burst into flames. Unclear what led to the single-car crash. @CBSMiami"

At this point, Tesla fire death rate has exceeded that of Ford Pinto's.

More video and news: https://www.local10.com/news/florid...-into-tree-in-davie-killing-driver-police-say
 
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TeslaInvestors said:
What are you saying here? If the AEB equiped car doesn't avoid the collision it is supposed to avoid, then it is not functioning as expected.
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I guess we need to dumb this down quite a lot, so even someone foolish enough to keep shorting TSLA even after Tesla started showing a substantial net quarterly profit -- and after the runaway success of the Model 3 was well established -- can understand:

If AEB worked all of the time or even most of the time, then the "at fault" accident rate in cars equipped with AEB would drop to nearly zero. Very obviously this has not happened. Therefore, obviously, in most cases AEB doesn't prevent an accident.

Only a serial Tesla basher like you would try to pretend that it's only in Tesla cars that AEB often doesn't prevent an accident.
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Source: https://www.local10.com/news/florid...-into-tree-in-davie-killing-driver-police-say

Paramedics pronounced the driver dead at the scene. Witnesses at the scene said the Tesla was traveling at a high rate of speed before the crash.

The National Transportation Safety Board found that the Tesla's lithium ion battery, which was the source of the fire, reignited twice -- as police transported the car away from the crash scene and again when investigators tried to remove the battery from the burned-out remains of the vehicle.

Tesla has defended its electric-powered cars, saying high-speed collisions can cause fires in both gas and electric vehicles.​

Bob Wilson
 
Yea! The gold sold for what I asked. Now if @TeslaInvestors and the other SHORT sellers will get off their *ss and bring TSLA to $295, I'll be very happy!

Historically we find the weeks leading up to the quarterly reports are when TSLA reaches a local minimum. Tesla is effectively muzzled so the SHORT sellers can make a lot of unchallenged claims.

Bob Wilson
 
Pushmi-Pullyu said:
If AEB worked all of the time or even most of the time, then the "at fault" accident rate in cars equipped with AEB would drop to nearly zero. Very obviously this has not happened. Therefore, obviously, in most cases AEB doesn't prevent an accident.
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Oh look! An ostrich with his head in sand produces ZERO data and makes tall claims about all AEB equipped cars crashing into obstacles!
Muddy Lens Man, check your glasses! Look for some data. But still, your tall claims are nothing compared to ELon's.
He just claimed last month, that doors automatically unlock in high speed crash. Well, he was jst proven wrong for the 1000th time!

On a separate note: You stay in your prayer room, while I go all the way to bank laughing.
 
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