Did BMW finally make that scooter available in the US? It's not as quick or as fast as an SE.
Is an EV MINI really a MINI?
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'nuff said.
SameGuy
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This. ↑
The L3 trim (Premier+ until 2.0 a few months ago) with a couple of options nudges over $60k after taxes (before government incentives).
It’s worth noting that Chevy is not cutting 2023 Bolt EV and EUV prices in Canada. Yes, overall it’s a more attractive deal for many (most?) buyers than the MINI, but the materials, fit, finish, and NVH aren’t in the same league. My best friend ordered an EUV a few weeks after I ordered my SE because he has a kid and needs more range. He’s had no updates from the Chevy dealership about when it might be delivered, but the estimate in April was 6-18 months. They didn’t even have a demo available to drive, though we did get to drive a long-term tester from a sister dealership a month later. It’s nice, it really is. Mind you, I wouldn’t want to sit in one for a drive lasting most of its ~250 mile range; it’s… boring, and the seats are awful.
MrSnrub
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It’s sold in Canada and costs almost 20k you also need a motorcycle license to ride it.
teslarati97
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Yes people are taking delivery in the USA, but the $2,500 tax credit expired on Jan 1, 2022. 0-31mph is 2.6 seconds and 0-60mph is 9.1 seconds.
MrSnrub
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It’s the classic more is less scenario for the SE. The Bolt is a great car no doubt but it was designed to be an appliance. Which most cars are actually… but it does many things well. I’d get bored within 20 mins driving it.
The SE is there for Mini enthusiasts or someone who wants a fun EV and is willing to make a compromise for that fun. Yea it’s a hangover model but it sorta works. Just be happy it exists at all
let’s be honest here. I don’t believe anyone is cross shopping the SE and a Bolt. You want a mini because you want a Mini. Period
teslarati97
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QST at 9.975% is brutal. That $7,000/$8,000 provincial rebate is eaten away if you don't have a trade-in to make it really worthwhile. That and a SAAQ registration fee each year? Good thing the MINI is exempt from that.
MrSnrub
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Got to pay to play to live in Quebekistan !
MrSnrub
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Luxury tax of 1% for over 40k on annual registration EV are exempt 40-75k
MichaelC
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Some additional/fresh speculation via MotoringFile:
https://www.motoringfile.com/2022/0...-electric-mini-could-still-make-it-to-the-us/
https://www.motoringfile.com/2022/0...-electric-mini-could-still-make-it-to-the-us/
"If we read between the lines, we believe MINI is working on several strategies in parallel to keep the latest MINI products in the US market. The first would be to use several economic levers to make the next generation (Chinese made) electric MINI Cooper financially viable in the US. The second is to begin a parallel sourcing of components (along with what could be a mid-cycle refresh) to bring these next generation cars to Oxford to be produced in MINI’s historical home."
First, other than simply losing money on every car, what "economic levers" are available? Second, could there be a parallel, non-Chinese source for components that wouldn't cost more than the Chinese components--especially in the small numbers needed to satisfy a limited number of markets?
MrSnrub
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Eastern Europe… still pricey vs China. That leaves the usual suspects of India, Malaysia and Thailand
Puppethead
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Ship parts to Mexico for final assembly. That's an example of a lever.
We'll see how committed BMW is to selling MINIs to America. Honda abandoned post-Brexit Britain and I'm not sure BMW won't do the same. The joint venture with Great Wall Motor seems like an exit plan to me--maybe not just an exit from Britain, but even from the make.
Hatch
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Yeah, sounds like wishful thinking of the type that we do here, more than anything else. I think we'll find out how much passion vs pragmatism exists at BMW (or how much pull each group has). I hope there are some die-hard MINI fanboys and fangirls high up enough in the company. It's possible.
Tommm
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I was cross shopping both. I wanted to sample an EV, and there were crazy high rebates on the Bolt. This was early 2021. I communicated with a few Chevy dealers and the stupidity of the salespeople I dealt with got me so frustrated that I abandoned the thought of an EV for a few months. There were rebates from Costco, GM, Fed, State. I asked for the bottom line after these, and got payment numbers without them. I didnt ask for payments, I asked for out the door prices. Ugh!!
MrSnrub
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we got gov rebates, loyalty and my wife work has a pretty decent rebate with BMW group. Yes it’s hard to get out the door price as the “monthly” price sells the car. Outside of that we paid MSRP and was told that from the start. Our 19 Cooper S we got a rather decent deal on. Fair priced
Rexsio
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2019 market is ancient history todays market is just crazy.