EV sales numbers

Benz said:
But will GM also invest/spend money in the near future to improve the charging infrastructure in order to sell more EV's?
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Past performance is no guarantee of future profits. Or in this case, spending on infrastructure. As I said, I don't think other car makers understand what drivers want, the way Tesla does.
 
30kWh_Leaf said:
Past performance is no guarantee of future profits. Or in this case, spending on infrastructure. As I said, I don't think other car makers understand what drivers want, the way Tesla does.
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I would put it slightly differently. No other car maker understands all the facets of electric vehicle adoption and is as motivated to drive that adoption like Tesla. Most car companies are focused on building cars. Tesla is focused on building a solar-electric ecosystem. And that different focus shows in their willingness to spend on infrastructure.
 
Tesla will be able to sell all the EV's they can produce. Other car manufacturers are not in the same position, they will not be able to sell all the EV's they can produce.
 
Benz said:
At least in 2018 there will be more demand for an EV with the 40 kWh battery pack (compared to an EV with a 60 kWh battery pack), simply because of the difference in price.

Meaning that in the US in 2018 there will be more demand for the Nissan Leaf with the 40 kWh battery pack, than for the Chevrolet Bolt EV (with a 60 kWh battery pack).
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Hmm, not sure I agree. My money would be on Tesla selling more “standard” Model 3s than Nissan sells 40 kW Leafs in 2018.
 
Yes, it's very obvious that Tesla will sell many more EV's than any other car manufacturer in the US in 2018.

Not everybody is willing to make a reservation for a Tesla Model 3 and to wait a year or more for delivery.

The initial question was regarding sales potential of the Chevrolet Bolt EV in the US in 2018.
 
30kWh_Leaf said:
I would have thought the 40kWh Leaf would go better in Europe because most people don't drive as far on individual journies. :)
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Actually, many Europeans don't use cars at all on weekdays for commuting, since both cities and suburbs (which tend to be much less sprawling than in the US) are well-served by public mass transit, or they use bicycles.
For these people, the average trip is therefore longer, but there are less trips overall, and for intercity (freeway) trips, speeds tend to be faster (speed limits are higher in theory and practice, and not just on the autobahns. ) Freeway (autoroute / autostrada / etc.) limits tend to be 130 or 140 km/h, or 80 (sometimes 88) mph. Faster trips need more battery capacity.
Another factor is car size: The Leaf is the same size category as the Golf, the best-selling car in Europe for years -- compact cars, the most popular category in Europe (despite the EPA classifying them differently, which is hogwash), so it has big potential there, unlike the US: It's not an SUV or a truck.
 
Benz said:
The Chevrolet Bolt EV total sales figures in the US in 2017 will be more than 20,000.

And in 2018 it will be even more than that. But will it be able to cross the 30,000 line?
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That was my initial question in this thread.

First of all the Chevrolet Bolt EV is already available in dealer showrooms, meaning that people don't have to make a reservation and don't have to wait a year or even more for the delivery of their new EV.

Secondly, The Chevrolet Bolt EV already has a 60 kWh battery pack. The Nissan Leaf doesn't have a 60 kWh battery pack yet.

No need to wait if you choose to buy a Chevrolet Bolt EV.

Yes, it's very likely that the sales number of the Chevrolet Bolt EV will cross the 30,000 line in the US in 2018.
 
Josh Bryant said:
Bolt should have no problem hitting 30k per year next year. They just got to nationwide availability and there will be lots of EV hype around Model 3 ramp-up to bring fresh buyers into the mix. The original LEAF and Volt sales really took off after Model S won MTCOY. Tesla drew the crowd, price moved buyers over to the other options.

The real stunning 2017 sales fact for me: Model S sold more units in September than i3 has sold the entire year. BMW has to be clinching their teeth over that right now.

i3 had to be an expensive vehicle to bring to production. Hopefully its tech (carbon and drivetrain) grow into more BMW’s more conventional product offerings.
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I always thought the i3 was a learning venture for BMW and they just happened to sell a few. The 3e and 5e versions will be what they rely on eventually, not the i3.
 
Feed The Trees said:
I always thought the i3 was a learning venture for BMW and they just happened to sell a few. The 3e and 5e versions will be what they rely on eventually, not the i3.
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In some respects -- the unique carbon-fiber reinforced plastic (CFRP) body module -- it was a learning venture, though I would say the original Mini E and ActiveE were more transparently engineering exercises involving actual customers. The i3, available for sale instead of strictly through lease, is meant to be a consumer product, just as every other BMW model.

That said, I don't know what sort of sales expectations BMW had off the top of my head, but I imagine they were higher than what it is seeing today.
 
Domenick said:
In some respects -- the unique carbon-fiber reinforced plastic (CFRP) body module -- it was a learning venture, though I would say the original Mini E and ActiveE were more transparently engineering exercises involving actual customers. The i3, available for sale instead of strictly through lease, is meant to be a consumer product, just as every other BMW model.

That said, I don't know what sort of sales expectations BMW had off the top of my head, but I imagine they were higher than what it is seeing today.
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It was more than just the CF frame though, it was a whole new interior design language, trying out all eco fabrics... trying out an EV and EREV side by side. That and the concept car looks I dont think they ever expected it to be a runaway success, just a learning curve to see how the market reacts and what buyers opt for.

On a level sure it costs a ton of money to federalize a car you dont want to sell a bunch of, but if it fails to sell a lot you can just shrug and say 'eh too funky'. But... if they tried all that with a 3 series and it failed then they have a 'BMW cant sell the 3 series in electric guise' headline. I think you also end up with a set of dedicated buyers who WANT the i3 and you get to collect all the sales data and insights from them to make your more mass appeal car better tuned to capture these folks. If theyre mixed in with the 3 crowd you have a hard time figuring out if they were 3 buyers who were swayed to the EV part or if they are pure EV wanters.

Pretty much what the roadster was. Let's make a small volume run on a dedicated car and just get a lot of learning from it.

But that's all pure conjecture. This whole EV market is a fascinating business to watch.
 
Domenick said:
InsideEVs has long had the most up-to-date collection of plug-in sales, and so this thread will announce the release of those end-of-month figures as well as those from different territories and other related stories.

>Click here for current sales figures<
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Love the stats and scorecard schedules. Have links from my UBUYGAS.com website to them for people who find my website. Every single day dozens of people look at my license plate and read the back of my car and then go to my site and most likely get to your site.

Keep up the Great Work!!

Sal Cameli
 
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