Electrify America Chargers

[Esprit1st]

Of course, there is more than enough reasons to not charge over 80% on a DC quick charger. However, protecting the battery of the car is definitely not one of them, that's all I intended to say. [emoji1][emoji6]

I suspect, though, that now, with kWh based fees it is more likely that people let it charge higher, because ... Who cares? I got here first, so screw everybody else.

However, once you reach 100% and the charger shuts off, you will get charged idle fees. [emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]

 

[cmwade77]

Of course, there is more than enough reasons to not charge over 80% on a DC quick charger. However, protecting the battery of the car is definitely not one of them, that's all I intended to say. [emoji1][emoji6]

I suspect, though, that now, with kWh based fees it is more likely that people let it charge higher, because ... Who cares? I got here first, so screw everybody else.

However, once you reach 100% and the charger shuts off, you will get charged idle fees. [emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]

Well, I won't generally, because honestly, EA will now be the last network I use, as they are now close to the equivalent of $2.50 a gallon of gas, of course the free stations by me are preferable to any of them....LOL But even if I do pay, it will be EvGo at closer to the equivalent of $0.50 a gallon of gas.

 

[electriceddy]

Well who would have thought, 3 years of free E.A. charging... Oh wait , that's right... its V.W. with it's ID.4
https://insideevs.com/news/445048/id4-3-years-unlimited-charging-electrify-america/
Getting the most value from their mostly paid for network.

 

[ericy]

Well who would have thought, 3 years of free E.A. charging... Oh wait , that's right... its V.W. with it's ID.4
https://insideevs.com/news/445048/id4-3-years-unlimited-charging-electrify-america/
Getting the most value from their mostly paid for network.

I can't say I am surprised that VW is tossing people this bone. Remember that Tesla's SC network started mainly as a sales enablement tool in order to overcome consumers "range anxiety". I see this as basically the same concept.

A new EV owner might think this to be a pretty big differentiator over other EVs, but once you settle into ownership, they may find that they rarely need to use the thing.

 

[electriceddy]

I can't say I am surprised that VW is tossing people this bone. Remember that Tesla's SC network started mainly as a sales enablement tool in order to overcome consumers "range anxiety". I see this as basically the same concept.

A new EV owner might think this to be a pretty big differentiator over other EVs, but once you settle into ownership, they may find that they rarely need to use the thing.

Seeing as the car is rated for towing, I foresee ID.4 owners hauling campers pulling in due to the reduced range. I hope there will be some guidelines for time spent charging over 80% or other EVs may be waiting while they slowly charge to full capacity.

 

[cmwade77]

Seeing as the car is rated for towing, I foresee ID.4 owners hauling campers pulling in due to the reduced range. I hope there will be some guidelines for time spent charging over 80% or other EVs may be waiting while they slowly charge to full capacity.

Not really, most other vehicles will avoid the extremely high costs and go over to EvGo at less than half the price and considering most EA locations have 5+ stations, but again the price is so high most won't use them anyway.

 

[Esprit1st]

Seeing as the car is rated for towing, I foresee ID.4 owners hauling campers pulling in due to the reduced range. I hope there will be some guidelines for time spent charging over 80% or other EVs may be waiting while they slowly charge to full capacity.

That will most likely become a problem.

 

[Esprit1st]

Not really, most other vehicles will avoid the extremely high costs and go over to EvGo at less than half the price.

That might be the case where you are, here EVGo and EA have pretty much the same price so there's that. EVGo has mostly 50 kW chargers vs. Electrify America's 150 & 350 kW chargers. So you tell me which one you would take.

 

[cmwade77]

That might be the case where you are, here EVGo and EA have pretty much the same price so there's that. EVGo has mostly 50 kW chargers vs. Electrify America's 150 & 350 kW chargers. So you tell me which one you would take.

Honestly, for the Kona, the difference in speed is minimal since it maxes out at about 75kw. About 10 minutes or so. If you have a Mustang MachE it might be a different story, but not many EVs can accept that high of rate.

If you live in an area where EA is charging per minute still, then yes, the price is comperable, but if you live where they are charging $0.31 per kwh, the price is much more expensive than EvGo. If course I will still continue using the free quick charging stations near me that are 64kw.

 

[Esprit1st]

So for a 20-80 % charge EA is 10 minutes faster and more than $3 cheaper. I don't know about you, but I'll take EA over EVGo.

 

[cmwade77]

So for a 20-80 % charge EA is 10 minutes faster and more than $3 cheaper. I don't know about you, but I'll take EA over EVGo.

How much are you paying for EvGo? My rate is currently $0.18 per minute with the COVID rate plan, which would make a 49 minute charge $8.82. even at the normal rate of $0.23 per minute, it would be $11.27. Either way is substantially cheaper than EA.

The rate you show would be $0.34 per minute and I can't find anywhere that high even without signing up for a plan with no monthly fee.

 

[Esprit1st]

How much are you paying for EvGo? My rate is currently $0.18 per minute with the COVID rate plan, which would make a 49 minute charge $8.82. even at the normal rat of $0.23 per minute, it would be $11.27. Either way is substantially cheaper than EA.

Like I said here in New Mexico, Nevada and the chargers I've seen in California (about 3 or so) EVGo charges $0.35 per minute. And that's for 50 kW chargers.

 

[cmwade77]

Like I said here in New Mexico, Nevada and the chargers I've seen in California (about 3 or so) EVGo charges $0.35 per minute.

That is in Arizona, not somewhere I looked, but if you sign up with their paid plan, it drops to $0.31 per minute and you get a credit equal to the monthly fee each month. But in California, the only way you would get charged $0 35 is if you don't sign up for any plan and they have a free tier that doesn't go over about $0.30 per minute. Remember to sign up for a plan, at least the free tier to save with EvGo, if you spend at least $8 is charging, it is worth going for their paid tier normally, just not if you have to still go to work during COVID, then you qualify for the COVID rate through the end of the year and get about 30% off.

The numbers you provide are only if you sign up for EAs paid plan and don't sign up for any plan with EvGo and even then, wouldn't be the price in most places

 

[cmwade77]

Please see attached screenshot for California pricing, at least in the LA Area.

 

[Esprit1st]

Well, I am on the pay as you go plan and I got charged $0.35 per minute on all of my sessions.

I guess I could have gone with the $7.99 per month plan when I used them and then switch back again. I only used them a few times in the last 1.5 years.

Keep in mind that my calculation tool assumes a 90% charging efficiency and thus the rate shows a little higher than what I entered into the calculator.

 

[electriceddy]

So for a 20-80 % charge EA is 10 minutes faster and more than $3 cheaper. I don't know about you, but I'll take EA over EVGo.

Great tool, I like that scratchpaper option ,to enable just be sure to add comment (in the small letters) to compare, maybe change the "enter comment to add to scratchpaper" wording a little larger so it is easier

 

[Esprit1st]

Great tool, I like that scratchpaper option ,to enable just be sure to add comment (in the small letters) to compare, maybe change the "enter comment to add to scratchpaper" wording a little larger so it is easier

Thanks! I can make that bigger, no problem [emoji6][emoji106]

 

[cmwade77]

Well, I am on the pay as you go plan and I got charged $0.35 per minute on all of my sessions.

I guess I could have gone with the $7.99 per month plan when I used them and then switch back again. I only used them a few times in the last 1.5 years.

Keep in mind that my calculation tool assumes a 90% charging efficiency and thus the rate shows a little higher than what I entered into the calculator.

Well, I go based solely on what I have actually been charged. I doubt at this point that I will go for their paid plan anymore since I have free quick chargers nearby, but you can see why I say EA prices are substantially higher than EvGo here, especially during the time I have the COVID rate of $0.18 per minute.

 

[Esprit1st]

Well, I go based solely on what I ha e actually been charged. I doubt at this point that I will go for their paid plan anymore since I have free quick chargers nearby, but you can see why I say EA prices are substantially higher than EvGo here, especially during the time I have the COVID rate of $0.18 per minute.

Definitely! Well, with my new job (the reason we moved) I will be an essential worker. However, only EA chargers are between home and work. Can't remember if they have essential worker rates. [emoji1787]

Their receipt shows of course energy delivered and the matching price, but you actually pay a little more because you pay for those losses. The charger just doesn't know exactly how much that is. Is it really exactly 10%? Probably not, but I didn't want to ignore it in my tool. I guess I could make it optional. I see how it might confuse people.

 

[cmwade77]

Definitely! Well, with my new job (the reason we moved) I will be an essential worker. However, only EA chargers are between home and work. Can't remember if they have essential worker rates. [emoji1787]

Their receipt shows of course energy delivered and the matching price, but you actually pay a little more because you pay for those losses. The charger just doesn't know exactly how much that is. Is it really exactly 10%? Probably not, but I didn't want to ignore it in my tool. I guess I could make it optional. I see how it might confuse people.

Probably the best bet, I don't believe EA has any essential worker rates, but maybe I should ask, considering I am considered one (thank goodness, it is what allowed me to upgrade to my Kona since I kept working this whole time).