Dodge Charger EV bogus "exhaust" noise

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How about the Dodge Charger EV "exhaust" sound. Sorry, i can't keep an open mind about that. It's the textbook definition of bogus. So noise pollution is one of the requirements to maintain the heritage? What's next - the stink? A dedicated motor to create violent vibrations throughout the vehicle?

I respect awesome ICE muscle, re-imagined as EV, but fake stuff is fake. They'd better not make it ON by default every time you start the car. And certainly there needs to be a way to permanently disable it.

I love the concept. Would buy the car, if true to the concept and affordable. It's beautiful. But i hate the marketing. It's a very interesting strategy. One might even describe it as repugnant. Whenever i encounter "us against them" philosophies, i object on principal. I believe they are appealing to the ideas that are tearing our world apart.

Key takeaway statements from the reveal:

Here's the facts. We didn't ask for the rules to change. We didn't want them to change. But they did. We can try to outrun them, but that would be a 9 second path straight into extinction.

Or, we can do what we did. Read their rules. Study their rules. Find their gray areas, then unleash the Banshee.

Now trust me, this is not the EV that THEY want you to have. This is the way Dodge does EVs.

 
I am going to have to disagree with you. Moving from a Miata to a Mini EV, I very much missed the sound. Granted, I never liked LOUD exhaust notes, but the build of sound as you accelerated was and is wonderful.

Likewise, the sound during acceleration is a great way to a) gauge speed without looking at the speedo,and b) a great way to, uh, communicate to other sports cars you, uh, wanna go. Kinda hard to do that when your car is silent.

I do think the ridiculous volume the banshee can get up to is annoying at best, but, Dodge certainly knows their audience. People who want muscle cars want the whole experience, and that is a part of it. Unless there is some legislation to limit it, some people will always opt for noisy cars (looking at you fart can civics).

I do hope, as a driver, you can turn it off by default, or have it only turn on when you enter sport/drag mode or something like that. Having a quite ride most of the time is wonderful. But having the option to let it “rev out”? Man, as long as it’s not waking a baby, let’s go!

And, as an aside, there is room enough in the EV space to have multiple different takes on how EVs are supposed to be!


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In 20 years, the noise advocates will be dead, nursing homes, or otherwise no longer driving a car. Time will solve the problem.

Bob Wilson
 
Hatch said:
I respect awesome ICE muscle, re-imagined as EV, but fake stuff is fake.
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I figured out what the Dodge Charger Daytona SRT EV concept is missing.

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I have some "muscle car starting up" sound clips I can play from the stereo, just to amuse people
at EV shows and such. It's not the same, though; the sound spectrum you get when standing near
the real thing is very different. Sounds come from all different parts of an ICE vehicle and resonate
in very characteristic ways, hard to duplicate even with multiple speakers.

_H*
 
Finishing my pecan waffle, three guys were bragging about their past pony cars using their outside voices. So I paid my bill and stood in the middle of the parking lot to summon my Tesla with three dogs inside. Without batting an eye, I got in and drove home. The doggies were happy to see me.

Bob Wilson
 
DisgruntledSanta said:
I am going to have to disagree with you. Moving from a Miata to a Mini EV, I very much missed the sound. Granted, I never liked LOUD exhaust notes, but the build of sound as you accelerated was and is wonderful.

Likewise, the sound during acceleration is a great way to a) gauge speed without looking at the speedo,and b) a great way to, uh, communicate to other sports cars you, uh, wanna go. Kinda hard to do that when your car is silent.
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I kind of get the desire to give a motor fake noise proportional to rpms or acceleration. Not for me, but to each their own. Plenty of other EV's have that. But fake revving? Is there no shame? That's just for posers. Can't some other method of communication with other cars that you want to GO be devised?

When I was growing up, it was all about owning a "sleeper" that would catch other drivers unaware. THAT was the definition of cool. Let them pull ahead even, then blow their freaking doors off.

Fake revving? Totally uncool ..
 
I just find loud noise annoying, and the louder the noise, the more annoying.

I can't help but wonder if the people who want this kind of car are compensating for some other sort of inadequacy.
 
I would never want it on my car, but I definitely get it. Engine sound and revving is a big part of the appeal to some people, especially muscle car people. Simple to add, simple to shut off.
 
DisgruntledSanta said:
I am going to have to disagree with you. Moving from a Miata to a Mini EV, I very much missed the sound. Granted, I never liked LOUD exhaust notes, but the build of sound as you accelerated was and is wonderful.

Likewise, the sound during acceleration is a great way to a) gauge speed without looking at the speedo,and b) a great way to, uh, communicate to other sports cars you, uh, wanna go. Kinda hard to do that when your car is silent.

I do think the ridiculous volume the banshee can get up to is annoying at best, but, Dodge certainly knows their audience. People who want muscle cars want the whole experience, and that is a part of it. Unless there is some legislation to limit it, some people will always opt for noisy cars (looking at you fart can civics).

I do hope, as a driver, you can turn it off by default, or have it only turn on when you enter sport/drag mode or something like that. Having a quite ride most of the time is wonderful. But having the option to let it “rev out”? Man, as long as it’s not waking a baby, let’s go!

And, as an aside, there is room enough in the EV space to have multiple different takes on how EVs are supposed to be!


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Great point about using engine sounds to gauge vehicle speed. I noticed this just the other day while driving my Niro EV. Without an engine note to even (subconsciously) give me any aural feedback, I looked down at the speedo to see I was going 5 or more mph either over *or under* my intended speed. Bottom line, there are always going to be unexpected consequences, even with a great concept.
 
Very thoughtful and measured post by DisgruntledSanta. Thanks!
I cannot help but to believe that an additional reason to have a loud vehicle is to send the message of, "Lookout at me! Screw you!" Kind of like coaling.
Dodge clearly understands this and is going after this chunk of the market.
Hooray for the California cities that are sending auto-tickets to those who drive by exceeding a dB limit.
 
bwilson4web said:
Loud noise cars and motorcycles make my Tesla accelerator foot heavy.

Bob Wilson
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Lol I was driving the main “highway” through the rez yesterday, cruise set at 60 km/h (posted 50 zone, driveway entrances the entire length). I was behind other cars and trucks doing a similar speed, when a db in a lowered E92 330d screamed up behind me, swerving repeatedly into the oncoming lane looking for a way around. As he found a gap and passed me, he was blowing soot, then got around another car, blipping his “throttle” repeatedly to show off more smoke. We wound up taking the same exit for the bridge over the Seaway, and as we merged I matted my MINI SE’s pedal and slingshotted past him going up the steep ramp. He tried, but by the time I and my measly 199 lbf-ft were over the Seaway, he was struggling 200 yards back and blowing a ton of carbon out the back. I don’t often do stuff like that, but it was quite satisfying.
 
Hatch said:
Hence my objection to the fake "revving". That's simply ridiculous.
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Unless someone likes it, then it's not ridiculous to them. And if it facilitates their transition to an EV then what's the harm? This ’Us vs ICE' mentality is a lose lose scenario. After all, unless you're just coming of driving age, all EV drivers were once also ICE drivers.
 
tbacba said:
Unless someone likes it, then it's not ridiculous to them. And if it facilitates their transition to an EV then what's the harm? This ’Us vs ICE' mentality is a lose lose scenario. After all, unless you're just coming of driving age, all EV drivers were once also ICE drivers.
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That's the other point the reveal made - "This is not the EV THEY want you to have." Creating the "us against them" sentiment. I see ICE and EV as part of the same world - the car culture. The people i've talked to at any cars and coffee i've ever been to, act the same way. We're the same family.

However it looks like this marketing campaign wants to create 2 sides, and then set them against each other. I guess fake revving is a good tool for that.

As for fake revving, if someone doesn't see it as ridiculous, then there's little else to say.
 
Hatch said:
How about the Dodge Charger EV "exhaust" sound. Sorry, i can't keep an open mind about that. It's the textbook definition of bogus. So noise pollution is one of the requirements to maintain the heritage? What's next - the stink? A dedicated motor to create violent vibrations throughout the vehicle?

I respect awesome ICE muscle, re-imagined as EV, but fake stuff is fake. They'd better not make it ON by default every time you start the car. And certainly there needs to be a way to permanently disable it.

I love the concept. Would buy the car, if true to the concept and affordable. It's beautiful. But i hate the marketing. It's a very interesting strategy. One might even describe it as repugnant. Whenever i encounter "us against them" philosophies, i object on principal. I believe they are appealing to the ideas that are tearing our world apart.

Key takeaway statements from the reveal:

Here's the facts. We didn't ask for the rules to change. We didn't want them to change. But they did. We can try to outrun them, but that would be a 9 second path straight into extinction.

Or, we can do what we did. Read their rules. Study their rules. Find their gray areas, then unleash the Banshee.

Now trust me, this is not the EV that THEY want you to have. This is the way Dodge does EVs.

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Hatch,
Yes, I agee. I live right on Hamilton at Leigh in San Jose, part time. The noise is constant. Worst offenders are bikers and rodders. Even truckers and occasional EMT sirens are not as annoying. They want to PUT this in their vehicles? I may be driven to become an eco-terrorist.
 
Wait... how is resisting this kind of change any different than the ICE guys resisting the EV change? The tone of all of these arguments against the Dodge sound similar to the arguments they would use against EVs (with only a slight change to the underlying content).

The only thing that is really going to happen here is that more people are going to go electric. So why spend time, energy, and stress resisting a little noise, if it gets some of the toughest converts into an EV? You can't deny, it looks pretty good and I bet it's going to cost a lot!
 
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