Battery swapping proven to be a winner, Nio provides average of 68,084 battery swap services per day

[OneEV]

Nio provides average of 68,084 battery swap services per day in May
Nio provides average of 68,084 battery swap services per day in May - CnEVPost


Nio (NYSE: NIO) has published an operational report for its vehicle replenishment system for the month of May, showcasing user habits.

In May, Nio provided 2.11 million battery swap services, according to information released today by the Nio App.

Nio's battery swap stations provided an average of 68,084 services per day in May, with a vehicle getting a fully charged battery via battery swap every 1.26 seconds, the company said.

In April, Nio's battery swap stations provided an average of 65,779 services per day, according to information released by the company last month.


On average, each Nio user used the battery swap service six times in May, with each time taking about three minutes, Nio said today.

 

[OneEV]

The key for me is they are down to 3 minutes per swap. absolutely amazing.

Keep in Mind NIO does this not only for thier evs but also 3-4 other EV manufactures, so yes this is very doable her in the States if we could get the major manufactures to settle on a battery standardization, you can still have 75, 100, 130, 200kW batteries so long as they all bolt on thesame

1 very strong reasons to move forward on it is ..

1. Eliminates the very very costly demand charges(=proft not loss on EV stations)
2. completely eliminates the main isues with fueling evs=time. as fast if not faster than gasoline.

we also end having to stand out in the heat, wind, rain , cold, snow trying to get a Charger working, how amazing is that dont even need to get out of our car.


https://youtube.com/shorts/a2J2w2_Dx8Q?si=Q5cyou8AP4Fn06Oy

 

[marshall]

Well NIO is expected to report a loss. So it's not a money maker as of today.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/n...loss-likely-widened-earnings-preview-873778d2

I think it's too capital intensive to make money on it.

Battery swapping might work for cross country trucking and ride share drivers in very, large cities if the government pays for it, but I don't see it for personal vehicles.

The government would be better off spending money on 80 amp L2 chargers where you bring your own charging cable, or L2 chargers with advertising.

 

[OneEV]

Well NIO is expected to report a loss. So it's not a money maker as of today.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/n...loss-likely-widened-earnings-preview-873778d2

I think it's too capital intensive to make money on it.

Battery swapping might work for cross country trucking and ride share drivers in very, large cities if the government pays for it, but I don't see it for personal vehicles.

The government would be better off spending money on 80 amp L2 chargers where you bring your own charging cable, or L2 chargers with advertising.

Almost Charging stations operate at a loss.. anything over 50kW. Bring your own chargers l2? lol Come on Marshall we're talking road tripping. No one is going to goo back 10 year in time and use l2.

BTW.. NIO Battery swapping is PROFITABLE in there busy locations, the only ones that are not profitable are the slow locations. NIO is losing moneyy on tehir cars (like most ev makers)

Look at these numbers for thier busiest Swap stations..


Nio (NYSE: NIO) has released a travel report for the Chinese New Year holiday, showing some interesting data about owners and about its energy replenishment system.

During the holiday, a battery swap station located at the Jiasao South service area on the G1522 Changshu-Taizhou Highway provided 195 services on its busiest day, according to data released by Nio yesterday.


It was followed by a battery swap station at Dahuai service area on the G15 Shenyang-Haikou Highway with 192 services, and a station at the same highway's Fu'an service area ranked third with 184 services.

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Nio is currently installing third-generation battery swap stations with a maximum single-day service capacity of 408. The company is expected to begin installing fourth-generation stations in April, which will increase the capacity to 480 services per day.



No Chargers will ever be able to match those numbers. everyone wins , NIO makes profit and EV owners get a quick swap and back on the road.

 

[marshall]

I still don't see it working without government money, and the government isn't going to front the money for a proprietary system. It's just too capital intensive.

 

[bwilson4web]

Wake me when they start swapping hydrogen fuel cell tanks.

Bob Wilson

 

[insightman]

Wake me when they start swapping hydrogen fuel cell tanks.

Bob Wilson

It would probably take as long to change a hydrogen tank as fill one built into the car and a car with swappable tank would weigh more (just like a car with a swappable battery).

 

[bwilson4web]

It would probably take as long to change a hydrogen tank as fill one built into the car and a car with swappable tank would weigh more (just like a car with a swappable battery).

Isn't hydrogen lighter than air? They probably have to tie them down with an anchor.

Historically, battery swapping was either abandoned (i.e., Tesla) or they went out of business (i.e. Batter Place.) Adding another bogus burden simply accelerates what I call 'reality training.'

If I were being sarcastic, I would recommend adding a hybrid engine and transmission to hold the car on the ground so the hydrogen doesn't make it float away.

Bob Wilson

 

[insightman]

Isn't hydrogen lighter than air? They probably have to tie them down with an anchor.

Historically, battery swapping was either abandoned (i.e., Tesla) or they went out of business (i.e. Batter Place.) Adding another bogus burden simply accelerates what I call 'reality training.'

If I were being sarcastic, I would recommend adding a hybrid engine and transmission to hold the car on the ground so the hydrogen doesn't make it float away.

Bob Wilson

One of the unfortunate problems with using compressed hydrogen as a fuel is the weight of the heavily reinforced tanks that must be used--those tanks must be even stronger and heavier for vehicles prone to collisions.

You almost sarcastically described a hydrogen hybrid. Did you know that Honda has converted their NSX factory in Ohio to begin producing the CR-V e:FCEV fuel cell electric vehicle, a hydrogen/electric hybrid? As the number of hydrogen filling stations in California shrinks, the market for this vehicle must be very small, indeed. However, the linked Honda Press Release from yesterday describes other hydrogen-powered ventures Honda is exploring.

 

[bwilson4web]

Just having fun.

Bob Wilson

 

[OneEV]

Wake me when they start swapping hydrogen fuel cell tanks.

Bob Wilson

never, Hydrogens a joke and extermly dangerous. and extremely expensive.

ANALYSIS | It is now almost 14 times more expensive to drive a Toyota hydrogen car in California than a comparable Tesla EV
The state’s largest H2 fuel supplier has hiked its pump price to $36 per kg across all 37 of its filling stations

At the new price, filling a Toyota Mirai’s 5.6kg tank would cost $201.60 — around $0.50 per mile, according to the Japanese auto maker’s claimed driving range of 400 miles (647km).

By way of comparison, fully charging a 60kWh Tesla Model 3 in California would cost $11.94, based on the latest average electricity prices. With an official range of 333 miles on a full battery, it therefore costs $0.036 per mile — almost 14 times cheaper than the Mirai, which is by far the most common fuel-cell car in the state.
And for Tesla owners with cheap overnight electricity rates at home, it would work out even cheaper.


Come on Bob put your thinking cap on..nah you dont even need to thinkabout it..JUST LOOK !

 

[OneEV]

Historically, battery swapping was either abandoned (i.e., Tesla) or they went out of business (i.e. Batter Place.) Adding another bogus burden simply accelerates what I call 'reality training.'



Bob Wilson

Historically Electric cars lost to Gasoline vehicles 100 years ago, so we should just stop this EV nonsense ..with your line of thought

Why do you have to be so closed mind on everything.. NIO Has Proven that Battery swap works..so much in Fact 4 other manufactures are lincensing thier battery swapping technology.. so yes , it ios working. Europe is adding battery swap stations as well, and of course the United States will be last to the game because they think they know better

 

[OneEV]

I'll post it once more time in hopes it sinks into to the thicker heads on the forum

Nio provides average of 68,084 battery swap services per day

 

[insightman]

I'll post it once more time in hopes it sinks into to the thicker heads on the forum

Nio provides average of 68,084 battery swap services per day

I presume most of those 68,084 power swaps took place in south-eastern China.

 

[OneEV]

I presume most of those 68,084 power swaps took place in south-eastern China.

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same article ..points of interest ..great wall of chine hwy p25 cities battery swap stations , one every 60kilometers of so

The route started from Dandong in Liaoning in the east to Yumen in Gansu in the west, spanning 25 cities.

Nio deployed 88 charging and battery swap stations along the 5,199-kilometer route, an average of one every 59 kilometers, it said.

In Europe, Nio currently has 42 battery swap stations, with Germany having the most with 14.



1000 new swap stations coming this year in china..

Nio unveiled the fourth-generation battery swap station at its Nio Day 2023 event on December 23, 2023, which will be equipped with 23 battery compartments and will increase the capacity to 480 services in a single day with a reduction of 22 percent in the time taken for each service.

This fourth-generation station will feature four Nvidia Orin X chips with six ultra-wide angle LiDARs and an overall computing power of 1,016 Tops.

The configuration allows these sites to more easily handle complex environments, opening up the possibility for more of their connected vehicle experiences, the company said at the time.

Nio plans to continue adding 1,000 battery swap stations in China in 2024, as it did last year, bringing the total to more than 3,310, it said at the Nio Day 2023 event.


Just amazes me how far behind we are. Elon had it right to begin with (battery swap stations) but probably made the correct decision FOR THE TIME , Tesla beinng new company and easier and less expensive to get chargers installed less R@D .again FOR THE TIME. NIO ha salrady made th elargest investment in getting the technology to work correctly and everytime , that part is done, that investment is done(for the most part , thy will always be investing a certain percentage in making it even better)
But know they can produce a new Battery swap station and set it up in less than a week ..

Meanwhile 2 years after Biden signed the infrastructer bill to add more dcfc a grand total of 7 have been installed..a freaking joke.

and most will work 50% of the time anyways once built(I see thieves already cut one of the 7 charges cables)

Just love the idea of no demand charges, or minimizing demand charges and putting stress on the grid. Swap stations remove most of the issues grid related

 

[bwilson4web]

Why do you have to be so closed mind on everything.

A retired engineer, I deal with reality and NIO:

1. Trying to save insignificant time - ~20 minutes EV charging to ~5 minutes battery swap. Human biology requires more than 5 minutes so overlapping snacks, bathroom break, stretching, and cat naps, battery swapping competes with overlapping the charging and human needs. NIO forces them to be strictly serial.
2. Lost of sales inventory - a battery in an EV is a sold asset. The cache of swapping station batteries are not in EVs that are in the hands of EV customers.
3. Rigidly fixed battery format - newer battery technology creates smaller and more efficient battery packs. But the fixed, physical dimensions of NIOs 5 year old battery design kills or minimizes future, optimized batteries. NIO has the assumption that their battery pack was perfect and like the 'Borg' YOU MUST COMPLY.
4. EV range limited by swapping stations - in 2019 there were significant gaps in the Supercharger network that had to be filled by L2 chargers or diverting the route. But in 2024, both SuperCharging and CCS-1 are so common that I often take the direct routes without having to divert to a fast DC charger. Turning back the clock to NIO battery swapping stations reverts to an earlier, painful era.

There is a place for battery swapping . . . in a fleet depot along with their service technicians and off-duty parking. But for a private individual, battery stations do not work. Those who tried soon learned the lessons and abandoned it.

Bob Wilson

 

[bwilson4web]

I'll post it once more time in hopes it sinks into to the thicker heads on the forum

Nio provides average of 68,084 battery swap services per day

Half charging the batteries, Nio could provide 136,168 battery swaps per day.

Bob Wilson

 

[Keith Smith]

Just love the idea of no demand charges, or minimizing demand charges and putting stress on the grid. Swap stations remove most of the issues grid related

Sounds swell, and I used to feel the same way. The problem is cost and bulk. We are talking 5 minutes to swap what should be $15-$20 worth of power by replacing an extremely large bulky heavy battery pack. Swapping 100 grosses around maybe $2000, and requires heavy equipment. Now I never have the same battery in my car, I'm bolting and cabling a new pack every few days. Compare to a station with enough local battery storage to fill up the pack in the car with with a smallish cable using power harvested off-peak. Gross the same money with a fraction of the infrastructure.

 

[marshall]

Meanwhile 2 years after Biden signed the infrastructer bill to add more dcfc a grand total of 7 have been installed..a freaking joke.

Patience Grasshopper!

First they had to come up with a plan to submit to the federal government.
Second, the states had to take public comment.
Third, they had to decide in general area where the stations where going to go.
Fourth, the had to receive proposals and verify they can do the job.
Fifth, they had to send out the money.
Sixth, you have to wait for the power companies to decide if they want to spend the money to upgrade their network.
Seventh, you have to wait for the power companies to upgrade their network.
Eight, you have to have the charging equipment to install.

So it takes a while. They may get a few more in the ground by the end of the year, but I suspect the main first build out will happen next year.

 

[OneEV]

lol, you are so very very wrong . Reality says so, not me