[Autocar] Battery life uncertainty prompts concern over used EVs

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A friend on another forum just had the pack replaced on his original Roadster, along with a few other snags, he was without his car for a few months and now he’s out :eek:$49,000.
Evidently your friend isn't strapped for cash--he probably wasn't taking the bus for those few months. He must be happy to be again driving the only pop-top EV sports car--one with impeccable Lotus cred. What's the warranty on that replacement battery?
 
The batteries in EVs do degrade, they are extremely expensive and they haven’t been around long enough for us to really know how long they will probably last. So the public is right to be wary.
That said…
The main issue is that the oldest cars that sold in any volume are the Tesla Model S and Nissan Leaf. And it’s the latter that is mainly causing the general concern due to its lack of active cooling and thus high degradation. The public don’t understand the tech so they just know that there are so many old Leafs that are near dead this this is an electric car issue (even though it’s a leaf issue).
If people though it through a little more and looked at how long Prius hybrid batteries have been lasting, despite the fact they are so small and thus have a lot more cycles on them used as they are, there is less reason to be concerned.
As data comes out showing degradation numbers of cars like the Model 3 and the Y, we’ll have a better idea of where we stand.
The general public is also blissfully unaware how expensive modern engines can be. If you get a catastrophic failure in some of them you’re talking EV battery replacement money for a new one… I know someone who had to pay over $30k for a new 3.0L v6 Land Rover Discovery Engine in a 2 yr old vehicle after it was physically damaged in a way not covered by warranty). That’s a car that costs the same as Tesla Model Y but the engine replacement costs double what a Model Y battery replacement costs. Yes that’s catastrophic failure but still….
However I am concerned about the seeming lack of repair ability if these batteries, I feel the government needs to set some repair ability rules…

this is it though. Auto media etc always talk about battery cost but fail to mention what an engine or gearbox replace costs these days. Even the price of used parts has sky rocketed. I have a 2018 Pathfinder at my shop with 90000kms and the cheapest engine we can find for it is 8500$ plus fitting. New? At Nissan is about 16k.
As EVs become more mainstream if you need a drive motor or battery you will prob just get it from the junkyard.

We are already at a point in the market where owning a car after 4-6 years feels “outdated”. EV batteries are warrantied for 8 years. I lease my cars after 39-48 mo I toss back the keys. Don’t have to worry about replacing tires or brakes either
 
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We are already at a point in the market where owning a car after 4-6 years feels “outdated”. EV batteries are warrantied for 8 years. I lease my cars after 39-48 mo I toss back the keys. Don’t have to worry about replacing tires or brakes either
SEs are purchase/finance only in USA as far as I recall.
 
A friend on another for him just had the pack replaced on his original Roadster, along with a few other snags, he was without his car for a few months and now he’s out :eek:$49,000.
Considering the cost of the original Roadster, and that it was a low-volume first-generation EV, I don't think it's all that germane as a comparison.
 
No. Just threw it out there because it’s interesting. I can’t imagine how many Roadsters are still running, though I suspect any current owners are indeed well-enough-heeled to do the necessary work. Whether or not it’s considered one of the seminal cars in automotive history is debatable, but it certainly is notable and examples are worth preserving.
 
No. Just threw it out there because it’s interesting. I can’t imagine how many Roadsters are still running, though I suspect any current owners are indeed well-enough-heeled to do the necessary work. Whether or not it’s considered one of the seminal cars in automotive history is debatable, but it certainly is notable and examples are worth preserving.
I'm sure we are all waiting for the $200,000 2023 Tesla Roadster, just like the $15,000 paid for full self-driving on a Model 3. It's almost here!
 
I'm sure we are all waiting for the $200,000 2023 Tesla Roadster, just like the $15,000 paid for full self-driving on a Model 3. It's almost here!
It’s it’s almost here in what year ? Tesla truck is cool but having worked fleet they better be ready to support the owners. Trucks can’t sit around for 6 weeks waiting for a part or a service tech to come out and visit. It’s not some wonky Model 3 where the owner will deal with it if you have a fleet of 30 EV Tesla Semi and 15 are broken it’s a big problem. This is what worries me about them. The big truck manufactures have a service chain in place already. Tesla can’t even fix their own cars in a reasonable amount of time
 
No idea. At one point in California the 60Ah BMW i3 was pretty much a $150/mo lease after all the rebates/incentives.
 
No idea. At one point in California the 60Ah BMW i3 was pretty much a $150/mo lease after all the rebates/incentives.
One of my friends had a Fiat 500 EV years ago in CA. He traveled often for work and it was cheaper than renting a car each time
 
this is it though. Auto media etc always talk about battery cost but fail to mention what an engine or gearbox replace costs these days. Even the price of used parts has sky rocketed. I have a 2018 Pathfinder at my shop with 90000kms and the cheapest engine we can find for it is 8500$ plus fitting. New? At Nissan is about 16k.
As EVs become more mainstream if you need a drive motor or battery you will prob just get it from the junkyard.

We are already at a point in the market where owning a car after 4-6 years feels “outdated”. EV batteries are warrantied for 8 years. I lease my cars after 39-48 mo I toss back the keys. Don’t have to worry about replacing tires or brakes either
So dude
You're in the biz & you're leasing an SE right?
Do you see independent EV only mechanics coming on stream soon?
IMO I wouldn't get an assessment on a used EV from the average workshop ATM.
Sure they can check the brakes etc but would they be able to get a proper health assessment of the battery and motor?
 
So dude
You're in the biz & you're leasing an SE right?
Do you see independent EV only mechanics coming on stream soon?
IMO I wouldn't get an assessment on a used EV from the average workshop ATM.
Sure they can check the brakes etc but would they be able to get a proper health assessment of the battery and motor?
There are one or two EV garages here already. With the proper diagnosis equipment you can access that info. I know I can with bmw and Porsche PWISIII
 
A friend on another for him just had the pack replaced on his original Roadster, along with a few other snags, he was without his car for a few months and now he’s out :eek:$49,000.

Was this a replacement battery due to degradation, or perhaps the 3.0 upgrade?


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There are one or two EV garages here already. With the proper diagnosis equipment you can access that info. I know I can with bmw and Porsche PWISIII
Interesting thanx for that.
Apart from M3's, ev's are pretty thin on the ground here ATM so it will be a good business opportunity to be the first here when the time is right.
I guess the trouble is, apart from pollen filters and brake fluid flushes, there is not so much general maintenance services to make the easyish money on which means these types of business will be less mechanic's and more photocopy technicians.
 
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