2023 models now showing on MINI website configurator. Signature trim for SE has been removed.

Where you been for the last 48 hours or so. It looks like it has most of the bugs out. see the other two posts about it. It was frustrating for a while.
 
Wow, with the Signature trim gone the starting MSP is no longer under $30,000.

upload_2022-3-19_16-19-29.webp
 
That's interesting. I placed an order for a 2023 BRG Signature before this change, two weeks ago, and signed the buyers' order / spec sheet. Haven't heard of this, contacted dealer, haven't heard any different on my order as of today. Hope it stays ordered!
 
I ordered an Island Blue Premier+ (that’s the Canadian Iconic) on Friday, and nobody could confirm any problems getting the heated wheel or ACC, but also all said it may arrive without them.
 
Wow! I would not have bought the car if the base price was $34k. Yes I know the Plus was always $4k more and you got a better stereo and a moonroof but removing the signature is a bad idea in my opinion…
This feels like profiteering on BMW’s part and I recon the SE was eating into the gas car sales being under $30k before rebates and incentives…

I also notice I can’t order it with yellow mirrors so that would also annoy my wife…
 
Yeah our model y has increased $10,000 since we bought it, but I give Mini props for not actually increasing the cars price on a like for like basis like Tesla.
They did follow Tesla’s lead on removing lower specs though (ie no Std Range) by removing the Signature.
Given Tesla are selling more cars than they can build I can understand the price increase. The SE is not a big seller in the USA though so the rationale for dropping the most affordable version is a bit harder to justify…
 
Well… I stand to be corrected as my memory often plays tricks but I thought I read somewhere that they only sold something like 2,000 of them in the USA last year, which, given they have 2 shifts per day 6 days per week at the factory works out to about 3 SE’s destined for the USA per shift so I’m not sure that represents much of a challenge…
That said, I did also read that 1 in 3 hardtop coopers were electric and 1 in 3 minis is a hardtop cooper which would mean roughly 100 SE’s per shift (they have a 67 second cycle time) so if only 3 of 100 went to the USA why are we being stiffed on the low spec or have they dropped the low spec in all markets?
I have a feeling they have massively underestimated EV demand like most legacy auto makers and as such for the limited supply of batteries and motors that they have secured they want to sell the highest margin cars. That’s my theory anyway.
But for the range of the SE there is a limit to how much you can charge given the range and price of other vehicles on the market. No way would I have paid circa $35k for one…
 
Last edited:
AndysComputer said:
But for the range of the SE there is a limit to how much you can charge given the range and price of other vehicles on the market. No way would I have paid circa $35k for one…
Click to expand...
I guess you could get a base Nissan Leaf for $27,400, but really over $30,000 to get closer to the MINI SE Signature trim. With shorter range and uninspired driving experience. The only other BEV that's in that price range on the US market I know of is the Chevy Bolt that starts at $31,500.
 
F316CBAE-5DF1-4EC6-94FF-D63BB9832FE3.webp
D397BF13-0A6A-4F24-B950-26097AF49D53.webp
I just noticed a subtle change in the fine print of both the US and Canadian sites, there are now more direct warnings about features that might be missing due to supply chain issues. The heated steering wheel isn’t mentioned to anywhere on the Canadian site anymore. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Last edited:
I've decided not to go through with a build order due to the ever changing landscape of deliveries and option shortages. I'm thinking it is better to seek out and pay a high price for a used low mileage 21/22 model. As these are available and have all the options their supposed to have.
 
Almost Green said:
I've decided not to go through with a build order due to the ever changing landscape of deliveries and option shortages. I'm thinking it is better to seek out and pay a high price for a used low mileage 21/22 model. As these are available and have all the options their supposed to have.
Click to expand...
Not exactly correct. My red signature came without the rear parking assist sensors. So it is a c rap shoot. If you are not in a rush, put the refundable 250 down, and when they give you a build sheet see if it has everything you want.
 
Tommm said:
Not exactly correct. My red signature came without the rear parking assist sensors. So it is a c rap shoot. If you are not in a rush, put the refundable 250 down, and when they give you a build sheet see if it has everything you want.
Click to expand...
It's certain that you know what you're getting if you purchase a pre-owned SE. Does MINI guarantee you'll get everything that appears on the build sheet? Were rear parking sensors on your build sheet or did you know before your SE arrived they wouldn't be included?
 
Puppethead said:
I guess you could get a base Nissan Leaf for $27,400, but really over $30,000 to get closer to the MINI SE Signature trim. With shorter range and uninspired driving experience. The only other BEV that's in that price range on the US market I know of is the Chevy Bolt that starts at $31,500.
Click to expand...
A coworker got a 2021 Bolt, fully loaded. It’s comparable to — but not the same as — a 2022 SE Iconic. Up here in Canada it prices out to about CA$3000 more than the SE; while it has double the range, that big battery’s extra mass negates the extra few horsepower and 67 lb•ft of torque, and it’s nowhere near as fun to drive on a daily basis in real conditions. I wasn’t able to build one with a sunroof either.
 
The federal tax rebate is what kept me from buying a Bolt over the Mini.
Well… my wife wanted a Mini and didn’t much care if it was electric or not (although she now loves the fact it’s electric) so the heart would buy the Mini but the head would buy the Bolt if they were both eligible, or not eligible, for the credit. The same money for nearly double the range, a usable back seat with two more doors and more cargo space is what *most* car buyers care about vs the driving dynamics. That’s why so many Japanese vehicles are purchased in the USA, it’s not for driving enjoyment believe me.

As there is rebate on the Mini but not the Bolt I’d advise most people at the $35k ish price point to go with a Kona.

Now, for us as a second car the range doesn’t matter and with the federal credit and state incentive and sub $30k Signature trim I can accept the limited range and utility for the price paid. I am aware it will bite us down the line when it comes to resale but we’ll keep it long enough that it becomes a non issue.
But at some point there is a limit to how much someone should pay for a limited range, limited utility electric car if other options are available unless they’re throwing financial caution to the wind or money is just a zero factor.

I do wonder how much those waiting for the 2024 will have to pay just to get their foot on the ladder….
 
AndysComputer said:
As there is rebate on the Mini but not the Bolt I’d advise most people at the $35k ish price point to go with a Kona.
Click to expand...
But you didn't mention the Kona anywhere else in your post. Are you saying people paying $35K should buy the Kona because it is much better than the MINI SE even though the MINI also qualifies for the fed tax credit?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top