2021 Hyundai Kona may have same battery issues as 2019-2020 models

[Toolworker]

A third party app (and the smart phone to detect it) should not be a requirement to record cell deviation (and temperature management for that matter).
All manufactures should be mandated to supply this information in a simple gauge format. (Nissan had this 1/2 right with the temperature indication in bars).
The data is there, why don't the manufactures come clean and supply this vital information (somewhat like oil pressure gauges) and in doing so prevent property damage or worse is beyond me.

Because they do not supply even oil pressure gauges anymore for decades. They put red light, when things go wrong and that is it.

+1 @Ginginova. As cars become more capable of detecting problems, and the vast majority of drivers pay less attention and become less capable of detecting problems, manufacturers have gone from gauges to idiot lights to the Check Engine light, whose simplicity incorporates comsiderable sophistication.

My evolution #3 - "Your car is not recalled. Its new software knows how to test for out-of-spec cells, and if it finds one, will brick the car." - shows that the car can now "prevent property damage or worse." A dashboard display of cell deviation would not; it would be ignored by 99%+ of drivers. The few of us who would notice it can use an OBD2 app as @hobbit suggests.

 

[Lars]

A third party app (and the smart phone to detect it) should not be a requirement to record cell deviation (and temperature management for that matter).
All manufactures should be mandated to supply this information in a simple gauge format. (Nissan had this 1/2 right with the temperature indication in bars).
The data is there, why don't the manufactures come clean and supply this vital information (somewhat like oil pressure gauges) and in doing so prevent property damage or worse is beyond me.

Yes, but to minimize expenses and maximize revenues Hyundai saved some development cost. That is life.

 

[Lars]

A third party app (and the smart phone to detect it) should not be a requirement to record cell deviation (and temperature management for that matter).
All manufactures should be mandated to supply this information in a simple gauge format. (Nissan had this 1/2 right with the temperature indication in bars).
The data is there, why don't the manufactures come clean and supply this vital information (somewhat like oil pressure gauges) and in doing so prevent property damage or worse is beyond me.

I invested in a VEEPEAK Bluetooth dongle and I installed Car Scanner and was blown away by the data available. Not sure i like it. I am still looking for a cheap good app I don't need months to figure out how to optimize it. I want to find away to filter just the battery health stuff, the critical info for Kona, for quick convenient review. The rest I can read when I see a reason for it.

 

[Lars]

Perhaps surprisingly, in spite of the darn battery issue Kona still sells well. #8 best seller on the list.
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/l9yY6/s1/top-10-best-selling-evs-in-the-world.webp

Realistically, if we remove the cars not available in NA it is the Kona is fourth behind Tesla 3/Y, and the Nissan Leaf. The Leaf's ranking is also a surprise with its air cooling and limited range and sticking with the Chademo plug.

Here is the full link and yes, one must consider regional issues, so make up your own mind.
https://insideevs.com/news/534931/tshowign ththe-fastest-selling-evs-worldwide/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+InsideEvs+(Inside+EVs)

However, news like this makes me think positively about owning a Kona EV. Since it is a 'hot seller' I still hope Hyundai will keep the Kona EV for a few more years. The size of this EV is truly unique and appealing to a number of customers.

Here is another chart showing the value of the Kona EV relevant to the North American market.
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/custom/bev-us-comparison-price-per-mile-20210918.png

 

[Ginginova]

Kona as a car model has approximately 2 more years of life left, then it is at the end of regular 6 year life cycle.
Please note that EV model entered into Kona lineup almost 2 years late.

Most likely replacement for Kona EV will be some Ioniq 3 or Ioniq 4 model with clean EV architecture from ground up. Everything else does not make any sense for the year 2023 and beyond when existing Kona model will be phased out.

Next Kona will probably be only ICE powered car.

In 2018 it made sense to reuse existing ICE based architecture to minimise cost and risk in the future it will be vice versa.

 

[Lars]

Kona as a car model has approximately 2 more years of life left, then it is at the end of regular 6 year life cycle.
Please note that EV model entered into Kona lineup almost 2 years late.

Most likely replacement for Kona EV will be some Ioniq 3 or Ioniq 4 model with clean EV architecture from ground up. Everything else does not make any sense for the year 2023 and beyond when existing Kona model will be phased out.

Next Kona will probably be only ICE powered car.

In 2018 it made sense to reuse existing ICE based architecture to minimise cost and risk in the future it will be vice versa.

Makes sense! In the meanwhile I hope this car will last for all of us owning one. It is simply not practical to swap cars every time a new version comes out.

 

[navguy12]

Question regarding a lease. If we lease a vehicle that is affected by the battery issue, is there a difference regarding how Hyundai addresses the problem?

I am not a subject matter expert on car leases, however one observation is this:

Even if you have a “closed end lease”, you are responsible for the delta between the anticipated value at the end of the lease and what the car actually sells for at auction after you turn it in if/if the car sells at auction for an amount less than what the expected residual value that the lease is/was based on.

 

[Sue]

I am not a subject matter expert on car leases, however one observation is this:

Even if you have a “closed end lease”, you are responsible for the delta between the anticipated value at the end of the lease and what the car actually sells for at auction after you turn it in if/if the car sells at auction for an amount less than what the expected residual value that the lease is/was based on.

I see it differently. When you lease, you have a contract for a specific, non-changing residual price. Hyundai will need to honor that value as if you rode out the lease. The fact that the values have dropped due to this problem is their issue as the Lessor, not yours as Lessee.

 

[navguy12]

I see it differently. When you lease, you have a contract for a specific, non-changing residual price. Hyundai will need to honor that value as if you rode out the lease. The fact that the values have dropped due to this problem is their issue as the Lessor, not yours as Lessee.

My recommendation: re-read every sentence of your lease agreement. Cheers.

 

[Danhen]

Even if you have a “closed end lease”, you are responsible for the delta between the anticipated value at the end of the lease and what the car actually sells for at auction after you turn it in if/if the car sells at auction for an amount less than what the expected residual value that the lease is/was based on.

I've never heard of such a thing, at least here in the U.S. For example, if the actual lease end value of the vehicle is higher than expected (as is often the case right now given the unusually high value of many used cars) it's a windfall for the Lessor, not the Lessee. Can you give us an example of the language which states the Lessee is responsible? Are you perhaps referring to the Lessee being responsible for damage to the car (thereby reducing it's value) when it's turned in at the end of the lease?

I can tell you this. If what you are saying is true, that's going to come as a huge surprise to many many people who are leasing their car.

 

[navguy12]

I've never heard of such a thing, at least here in the U.S. For example, if the actual lease end value of the vehicle is higher than expected (as is often the case right now given the unusually high value of many used cars) it's a windfall for the Lessor, not the Lessee. Can you give us an example of the language which states the Lessee is responsible? Are you perhaps referring to the Lessee being responsible for damage to the car (thereby reducing it's value) when it's turned in at the end of the lease?

I can tell you this. If what you are saying is true, that's going to come as a huge surprise to many many people who are leasing their car.

It may be only a Canadian thing, or only a Province of Ontario thing…

Here is a screenshot from an Ontario web site:


I have had experience with this issue on two occasions.

The first time was the last time my brother had leased a vehicle, back in 2011. It was an Infinity vehicle from a dealer in Guelph Ontario.

The second time was when I, acting as a power of attorney for my father, dealt with the lease details of a 2021 Honda product from a dealership in Burlington Ontario.

In both of my personal experience examples, the lease agreements were in excess of 12 pages long and one had to actually read the fine print on the pages describing what the lessee is responsible for at the end of the lease.

No where else, either verbally or in any summary of lease details, is this “gotcha” explained.

It only shows up within one of the pages that one initials as having read and understood.

As I stated previously, I recommend anyone who has a lease on a Kona EV (at least in Ontario), it would be best to reread every single sentence of their lease agreement.

YMMV

 

[Toolworker]

It may be only a Canadian thing, or only a Province of Ontario thing…

Here is a screenshot from an Ontario web site:

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I have had experience with this issue on two occasions.

The first time was the last time my brother had leased a vehicle, back in 2011. It was an Infinity vehicle from a dealer in Guelph Ontario.

The second time was when I, acting as a power of attorney for my father, dealt with the lease details of a 2021 Honda product from a dealership in Burlington Ontario.

In both of my personal experience examples, the lease agreements were in excess of 12 pages long and one had to actually read the fine print on the pages describing what the lessee is responsible for at the end of the lease.

No where else, either verbally or in any summary of lease details, is this “gotcha” explained.

It only shows up within one of the pages that one initials as having read and understood.

As I stated previously, I recommend anyone who has a lease on a Kona EV (at least in Ontario), it would be best to reread every single sentence of their lease agreement.

YMMV

This is off topic for this thread, but sounds like something Canadian or Ontarian lessees should know about, especially if the provision is routinely enforced and not just in case of substantial damage, as from a collision. Suggest you post about it in a new thread and find out if and how often it is enforced.

 

[electriceddy]

We were able to dc fast charge for free while our public utility (BC HYDRO) tested its' charging network, so drove 11,000k for free.

Still blessed with some free 50 kW DC charging here:
https://www.plugshare.com/location/282001
It would be nice if Electrify Canada or BC Hydro had some free promotions like some providers do in the States (like on holidays).
You can still cash in on some at Petro Canada until April
https://www.insideevsforum.com/comm...canada-free-charging-for-1-year-canada.10978/

 

[electriceddy]

This really doesn't inspire much confidence with this latest e-mail from GM spokesman:
“In an effort to reduce potential damage to structures and nearby vehicles in the rare event of a potential fire, we recommend parking on the top floor or on an open-air deck and park 50 feet or more away from another vehicle,” Flores said in an email.
Certainly a recommendation hard to comply with when requiring a charge at most public EVSE (although technically not parking)
Source:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/15/gm-...ers-to-park-50-feet-away-from-other-cars.html

New QR code window cling issued by Chevy for Bolt EV and EUV owners will allow parking lot attendants to scan and confirm the Bolt's repair

Source:
https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/chevrolet-to-offer-window-clings-after-bolt-ev-servicing/

 

[Lars]

New QR code window cling issued by Chevy for Bolt EV and EUV owners will allow parking lot attendants to scan and confirm the Bolt's repair

Source:
https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/chevrolet-to-offer-window-clings-after-bolt-ev-servicing/

Must admit, good PR. It shows that GM trusts the new batteries, it takes full responsibility and to make people comfortable to drive/own/park their cars.

 

[livingthecadream]

Well, we are at 6 months with no resolution. Hyundai supposedly is buying the car back after we got a lawyer because they were ghosting us. They are still delaying as much as possible. Lifetime boycott for us!

 

[IGSAD]

May I ask if anyone with a 2021 model year battery replacement, ever received the $850 that the 2019 and 2020s were promised?