Toyota preparing for ten fold increase in fuel cell car sales

Since Toyota can afford the fuel cell experiment, fine by me. Mass production of the fuel cells addresses one part of the problem and it isn't clear volume solves the cost. Just I am not persuaded the hydrogen problem has been solved.

It takes 3x the cost of electricity for electrolysis and methane-steam has purity challenges. Furthermore, the high pressure hydrogen distribution is a little too complex for my taste.

As for fuel cells being a game changer, until September 2015, diesels were a thing.

Bob Wilson

 

@TeslaInvestors- right you're a Tesla investor. No one is going to be fooled by the long tail pipe petrol scam anymore. The subsidies will be cut. No way something that increases CO2 emissions is going to continue to get green when its dirtier than coal.

Right now the T. Admin is thinking it can force people to buy coal through the grid. Hilariously it is trying to hide behind nuclear over this and calling it a national security issues. Bailing out throwback plantation owners is a national security issue? No its theft pure and simple. Even if the government wanted coal in silos for back up it could simply confiscate the coal plants and keep them functional at cost. But T admin wants to use a provision that preserves the profit for parasites. But the thing is these genocidal parasites were paid of long ago. What they have is debt not continued entitlement to rent seeking by law. The employees sans management can easily be put on a high indexed guaranteed annual income for the rest of their life- that would be a much better use more tax funded parasitic profit guarantees because that is more of the idiocy of the rich being able to tax the poor when they shouldn't even be able to do it through suppressed wages.

What this is about is if coal can be sunk then oil and NG are next (really NG first.) So they keep trying to delay the inevitable as if the fraud were some kine of mote. Right now there are articles one by Mark Perry for IEA saying that even if the electric cars wipe out transport oil should be level or grown. This depends on the idea that can continue to be forced on people, that it would be force on for instance the US populace. But no, diesel is being banned in EU in a few years, coal in being banned right now in Germany. People will go to all roof top solar battery backed homes with electric appliances where even the water heater just quick heats. Cars will come off the grid from this. Homes will be better built with passive cooling and heating through insulation. Tesla is demonstrating the industrial case. But you see the cost of all those unnecessary wars for petrol enslavement is coming back to haunt these entities and the dawning realization on the part of the public of all money and time that was taken from them due to fake economies and artificial scarcity induced in large part through petrol fuel oil is going to demand a disgorgement of past ill-gotten gains. A new scam is not going to be foisted on people, not in the name of national security or any other reason. Even a big global war if humanity survived it would not stop this now. The plantation is over and the falsity of the T Admin shows it, people laugh at it more than anything else. There was always a limit and the limit was crossed way back with Katrina, what was happening in 1970 against the people was starting to percolate into their consciousness by that time. The plans the to try to stop the eviction of this global rent seeking parasite and necessary claw back are 13 years behind the starting gun.

Absorb this simple little fact into your consciousness, a communist country is now the new power in the world because people in the TES and other plantation minds couldn't understand something as simple as the golden rule, they didn't understand that spreading fear would eventually catch up with them. They still don't get it because for instance instead of trying to help Tesla they continue to try to undermine.

Its sad. They will still have chemicals, plastics and fertilizer but even there they need to clean up their operations so they are less toxic.
If any of the things Nick Bostrom was talking about pan out there are so many other things to focus attention on and its going to happen so fast, even autonomy doesn't even scratch the surface. Science itself doesn't seem to survive where digital physics goes.

 

Toyota is, of course, free to keep throwing its money down the rathole of the failed science experiment of fuel cell cars, for as long as it wants to keep wasting money.

If any reader doesn't understand just why fuel cell cars will never be practical, or why promoting the "hydrogen economy" is a hoax, it's all spelled out quite clearly, with plenty of authoritative references, in the first two posts in this discussion thread: "How to Promote the Hydrogen Economy Hoax"

I just hope that the Japanese governments (national and Prefecture) will stop wasting Japanese taxpayer money on supporting the "hydrogen economy" hoax, just as I hope that California and other States in the USA will also stop funding the build-out of hydrogen fueling stations.

I find it very disturbing indeed to read that, at least in the recent past if not now, the various levels of Japanese governments offered a total up to nearly $20,000 in incentives* to people buying fool cell cars. I realize that Japan has a critical shortage of electricity, at least partly self-imposed because they shut down nearly all their commercial nuclear power plants, but the laws of physics work in Japan just like they do everywhere else. Japan needs to find a cheaper way to produce electricity, not waste its resources trying to promote use of a fuel that costs twice as much as gasoline or diesel, and is so profligately wasteful of energy that, by comparison, a battery-electric car is about 330% as energy-efficient!

*See: "Japanese Government To Offer $20,000 Subsidy On Fuel Cell Vehicle Purchases"

Physics, thermodynamics, the long supply chain for H2 from well to wheel, and basic economics all mandate that H2 can never possibly compete with any practical fuel, or with batteries charged with electricity, in powering a car.

As has been said, a fuel cell car is an interesting if expensive science fair experiment. But as an attempt at a practical form of everyday transportation, it's a miserable failure, and always will be. No amount of inventiveness, no future invention or improvements on existing tech, is going to change that. The Laws of Thermodynamics are not something that inventors can sidestep with a clever idea. If that was possible, we'd be using perpetual motion to power everything!