The Nisan Ariya has officially debuted and...whoa!

Discussion in 'Ariya' started by Domenick, Jul 15, 2020.

  1. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    The Nissan Ariya will take over for the LEAF as the tip of the automaker's electric spear.

    The new crossover boasts about 300 miles of range with its largest battery option and the quickest variant will do 0-to-60 in 5.1 seconds. Its base price is $40,000.

    Perhaps the biggest news is the fact that it will charge using CCS now instead of CHAdeMO (which is found in the LEAF) to fast-charge its liquid-cooled battery.

    The styling will be subjective, of course. The front is an evolution of the brand's forward motion V. The interior looks like a pretty sweet place to hang out and I love the capacitive buttons embedded in the wood trim.

    Pics are below, but first, here are the specs.
     
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  2. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    Here are the debut videos from Nissan. The actual digital debut, a shorter introduction to the car and features (some Japanese, so click on CC for translation), and a first commercial.





     
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  3. I like this better than the Mach e Select with the needed Comfort/Appearance Package. Will see if Adaptive Cruise Control comes standard or not.

    I am assuming Nissan EVs no longer can get the US Federal Tax Incentive.
     
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  4. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    I believe Nissan still has about 100,000 or so vehicles left before the federal tax credit starts winding down for them, so it shouldn't be too hard for the first batch of buyers to take advantage of.

    The Nissan Ariya will have Pro Pilot 2.0 -- which is supposed to be really good -- though I suspect that's an option. At least, on lower trims. (I'll try to look into this)
     
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  5. Those touch sensitive buttons are a huge no-no for me. Also, I've owned three Nissans and I won't buy anymore due to average build quality and reliability and too many difficulties getting work done under warranty.
     
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  6. DJP

    DJP Member

    I find it odd that IEV's headline story today is still the bumper coming off the Tesla that drove through a puddle rather than the launch of the Ayira.
     
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  7. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    If it was my choice, I'd have Ariya up there. It will be front and center in the Podcast tomorrow, for sure.
     
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  8. SouthernDude

    SouthernDude Active Member

    It is fantastic that Nissan is using CCS for this car. Hopefully all their models in the future will use CCS (including next years Leaf).

    EDIT: They are shifting all new cars to CCS. This is great news. Now there will only be two charging standards - much like gas or diesel. Everything is simpler now.
     
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  9. briloop

    briloop New Member

    Per https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml Nissan still has the $7,500 federal tax credit available. The phase-out of the credit for Nissan is still TBD.

    Per https://insideevs.com/news/347565/nissan-leaf-sales-outlook-us-2019/ (article dated May 2, 2019) Nissan has sold 133,178 Leafs in the U.S. since 2010.

    Though I've never owned a Nissan, I am a little leery about Nissan and its quality reputation.

    I am excited about the Ariya. I believe I will reserve one when Nissan makes that process available.
     
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  10. Roy_H

    Roy_H Active Member

    Glad to see they are finally giving up on CHAdeMO.
    Cargo area 2 cuft less for dual motor, so no flat floor in rear.
     
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  11. ericy

    ericy Well-Known Member

    When I was shopping, I briefly looked at a Leaf. The dealer was a pain - when they saw me looking over the Leaf, the salespeople treated me like I was a leper or something - most of them tried to claim they didn't know very much about the thing, and they couldn't be bothered to find a vehicle for a test drive. I never got around to trying another dealer - in the end I went to Hyundai next where they had a Kona in stock. In a way I lucked out - this was before I know about the Leaf's lack of thermal management of the battery, and even back then he Chademo thing bugged me.

    The Ariya corrects both of these shortcomings - if someone asked me for recommendations, I wouldn't hesitate to tell them to consider it.
     
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  12. Paul K

    Paul K Active Member

    No word yet on pricing. It looks like it's going to be a fair bit more expensive than the Leaf. The future of the Leaf itself seems a little iffy at this point. I hope
    it stays in production until at least 2022. At that point I will have taken down my traditional 4 years depreciation through the business and will be looking at
    replacement. My heart is with Tesla but my head (finances) says Leaf. The dealer where I bought my Leafs has since lost the franchise but they had sales
    specialists just for the Leaf and they knew their stuff unlike ericy's experience. The Ariya does look like quite the vehicle and I think it's going to be a success.

    I'm glad I got my first Leaf before I discovered Inside EVs and all the Leaf bashing trolls. I might not have bought an EV at all as the Leaf was barely affordable
    even with incentives. Zero problems with battery over heating. Build quality seems quite good. Car is comfortable & trouble free. Jeez I hate trolls.
     
  13. DJP

    DJP Member

    I agree with your sentiments re Inside EV's. I was disappointed with the podcast that was dedicated to the Ariya. Despite the design answering all the complaints about the Leaf, Tom and Martyn still aren't happy. "Why can't we have it now?" Geez I'm glad I don't live with these guys --nothing would satisfy them no matter how amazing you were. "Yes you are the kindest, most beautiful, intelligent, caring person, but you know what you could do better" Meanwhile let's have a look at them. I was hoping for an insightful analyses and these experts aren't able to provide that. It was a waste of 45 minutes of my less than satisfactory life.

    Despite the complaints of others about the Leaf, I am really happy I bought the 2015 and then the 2018. I only wish I was able to wait a year to get the 2019 with the 62kW battery. Both cars had/have a quality build and I always enjoy driving the car.
     
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  14. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    Thanks for the feedback regarding the podcast. I think they're a bit frustrated because Nissan had such a great head start on the competition and would have liked to have seen it launch a promising product like Ariya sooner. I share that frustration, but I understand Nissan has had a lot of internal management issues over the past couple of years and I'm of the opinion that this impacted the speed of supply chain development. This, in turn, has affected the electric product timeline (ie, whether to source batteries internally, or from which suppliers, etc). A lot of key strategic decisions needed to be made and there may have been different visions regarding the speed needed for electric vehicle market share gains.

    At any rate, it looks like they have a pretty competitive product coming. I hope the pricing makes for a strong value proposition.
     
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  15. Tim Miser

    Tim Miser New Member

    I too was frustrated with Nissan with the delay of the Leaf update. I was a loyal Leaf customer but ended up with a Bolt just because I needed the range increase. By the time the Updated Leaf came out (and I mean the 200+ mile range update), it was just too late and too expensive for what you got and still on Chademo didn't help. Maybe this will be fresh start and competitive with the $7500 still applying. And as far as build quality, forget about it. These are electric cars and generally just don't have build problems unless you ended up with a Tesla.
     
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  16. Calliope

    Calliope Member

    I love my 2019 Leaf, but now that I'm adding some long distance driving to my routine, the thermal management issue is becoming a really big issue for me. But I dislike the appearance of both the Bolt and the Tesla 3 (for different reasons), and I'm just not sure about the Niro. It might be Ariya or Niro for me, and if I have to choose between Nissan and Hyundai........
     
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  17. DougWantsALeaf

    DougWantsALeaf New Member

    Do you have a Leaf or Leaf Plus. Leaf Plus can pretty easily do 500 miles in a day without hitting thermal issues in most weather.
     
  18. Calliope

    Calliope Member

    A Leaf -- the Leaf Plus wasn't even announced when I ordered my Leaf.....we knew it was coming, but we didn't know when. Canada release dates are not always the same as in the US. In temperatures over 90F, I was getting about half my usual mileage, and taking much longer to charge. Temperatures like that used to be uncommon, but they're becoming more common in recent summers.
     

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