The Hydrogen Con

Discussion in 'Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles' started by 101101, Aug 14, 2020.

  1. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    Hydrogen is never green that's way to expensive its always blue or grey and is just Enron and Diesel Gate part II. Its toxic natural gas in disguise. Its another rent seeking long tail pipe scam that has to be stopped. Saw Toyota get caught trying to foist it Long Beach. Its will be connected to a bunch of nonsense. What we need to start doing is converting compressed natural gas plants and equipment to air batteries. You'll note that the scammy natural gas industry just threw away all that energy from liquifaction which could have turned a turbine the other way for gasification to recapture some of the energy but their goal except in the case of coops owning where they couldn't get away with it was to overcharge at every possible point and then not underground lines and continue to do Enron style rolling black outs or PG&E gas outs and then use that as an excuse to raise prices so that in CA because of the natural gas scam we pay 4x what they pay in Kentucky and 21x what new battery backed solar costs. And then when their is a fire same fraud involved insurance companies raised home owners rates 40% in one year but still continue to insure and buy the stock of these fraudulent natural gas companies. There has never been a dirtier enterprise in the history of the world than natural gas. But hydrogen is actually worse. Converting natural gas into hydrogen to hide that its is super dirty natural gas takes 2x the energy the hydrogen will hold so 2x the moronic natural gas. Its more expensive yet to do true green hydrogen is bulky they never tell you it takes 3x the liquid volume of gasoline per unit of weight even if it has 3x the energy density but of course the apparatus to contain or even transfer it is very bulk with bunches of moving parts that are failure prone and dangerous. And as we've learned the only reason they wanted to sequester was to pump out more natural gas. But natural gas caused the last collapse because its all economically stranded even when hyper subsidized and it just collapsed again right before covid (covid has acted as cover to keep its collapse out of the headlines)- so selling insurance on the bad debt that covers these bad assets (so called derivatives)to public pensions and mutual funds and insurance companies is beyond idiotic it is ultra moronic ponzi scheme kicking of the can down the road. Tarrifs on solar don't help either. The world simply doesn't need this crap.

    Singapore just ordered 22 billion worth of solar cells and batteries to cover 20% of its power at 2 billion a year to be sent of a 3600km under sea cable from Australia- you never see petrol projects that large and you won't see big petrol projects anymore because the gig is up fossil fuels are dead in the water permanently.
  2. marshall

    marshall Active Member

    Well at least in California, they can say they have moved their pollution from their state to another state, providing they get the hydrogen gas out-of-state.
  3. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    Yes they are saying exactly that but CA needs to tell them with better rules that their hydrogen scam if it adds atmospheric contaminents any where is banned. The bs in particular about sending hydrogen in the same pipe as 'natural' gas needs to be barred for the obvious diesel gate type scam it is.
    These pipelines must be dismantled. We should be jailing fossil fuel criminals not letting them bribe politicians to create law as crime.

    We know their anti justice take on justice. Justice for them is not about equity and equality it is about the righteousness of inequity and in the great chain of being because of their money establishing their superiority they insist they have a given right to exploit others and anything else is the meaning of injustice. Its the problem of idiots given power and money and how to disarm them so they can't insist on and forcing evil.
  4. SouthernDude

    SouthernDude Member

    Hydrogen fuel cells are not a scam. They work and the technology is better suited to decarbonizing commercial jets, long distance freight trucks, those really large container ships, and several other industries (e.g. like timber harvesting). Hydrogen can be produced by electrolysis, which doesn't involve natural gas, so no need to freak over that.

    Also, it's possible to store hydrogen long term. This is good for areas that don't have stable electric grids or for islands that may not be able to install enough generation capacity to effectively charge large ships or commercial jets. Stored hydrogen can also be used in addition to pumped hydro for long term energy storage on the grid - something that conventional chemical batteries can't really do (aside from flow batteries maybe).

    There's no real reason to hate on hydrogen fuel cells because they aren't necessarily the best application for light duty vehicles.

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