Summer vs Winter KWh use

Discussion in 'Hyundai Kona Electric' started by Hofty, Nov 29, 2020.

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  2. The NZ importer seems to have avoided the issue despite that we have a few at 350 kW. upload_2020-12-15_13-37-38.png
     
  3. TRSmith

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    As far as I know, Hyundai has never advertised that the car is capable of accepting a DC charge at 100 kW. I have only seen a maximum of 77 kW, and I'd be shocked if anyone has gotten significantly above that. Correct me if you've seen a 100 kW rating advertised.

    But Hyundai is advertising that the Kona can charge from 0-80% in 54 minutes on a 100 kW charger. That might make it look like it can accept the full 100 kW. But it can't. There just aren't chargers out there that are rated at 77 to 100 kW, so they just simplify the advertising to essentially say you need to use a charger rated at 100 kW or higher in order to take advantage of the Kona's full charging speed.
     
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  5. Finally!
    This is good news! It cost me $400 to get an iPhone to use it with my Kona. After using it for 3 months, I thin kI will go back to my Nokia 6+
     
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  7. A little bit of topic, but my company phone is Apple and it's the clunkiest user interface I've ever experienced. And I only use it for calls and texts! And it doesn't even work right.
     
  8. Well, clearly other people manage just fine with them. Once you figure it out you'll find they are very good products overall. They just don't have those three obvious buttons along the bottom.
     
  9. Update: I tried it today, could not make it work. Android Auto did not show my GPS apps or any other apps than before. (I love HereWeGo. It works super well off-line and it is free. The other is Sygic. Not free but it supports EVs reasonably well.)

    If Google just opened up for third party apps, maybe it is too early. The app designers need to catch up to take advantage of the offer.

    ChargePoint works on Apple Carplay now.
     
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  10. I believe it's still in beta for Android Auto. I read somewhere that Plugshare is beta testing their app. Hopefully it'll be available soon.
     
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  12. Yes I know there is an Apple cult out there, just like a Tesla cult. And it is OK. For me though the Apple user interface is old, outdated. Takes too long to learn. But hey to each his own. However, I couldn't make my apps to work on Android Auto. On that note, I find Apple interfaces to the car better. - but we are digressing from Winter Driving.
     
  13. Back to Winter Driving. The video in this article deals with the benefits of heat pumps - if any - as well as battery conditioning. It is long and fast. Not easy to follow the subtitles (much easier to watch if you speak German - I don't). Check out the last 3 minutes (from 39 on). Compares how VW and the South Koreans differ in battery heating.

    https://insideevs.com/news/460193/nextmove-heat-pump-vw-id3-less-efficient/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+InsideEvs+(Inside+EVs)
     
  14. Bruce M.

    Bruce M. Well-Known Member

    So I'm starting to think even in mild-climate San Francisco I'm getting a slight effect from colder weather (daytime highs in the mid to upper 50s, lows in the 40s. Through summer and early fall (which tends to be our warmest season), the GOM was giving me a range equal to 295-300 miles at full charge. Now it's in the low 280s, and nothing's changed about the type of driving I do.
     
  15. I was shocked until it downed on me that you folks, south of the Great White North are living in a different world, using a different scales. 280 (miles!) is ~448km here. That is way over the 416km range the Kona is rated at. 300 miles is 480km, give or take. What are you driving, a Tesla? ;)
     
  16. 50s are still in the goldilocks zone. I started to see appreciable differences in range once temps hit low 30'sF and after that it just goes down hill exponentially. It dropped to -22C or -7.4F for me yesterday GOM claimed I had 294km or 184 miles range on a full charge.
     
  17. Bruce M.

    Bruce M. Well-Known Member

    Nah, I'm driving a Kona, but have been really impressed by how much it exceeds the EPA estimate. That said, I don't drive with a lead foot and rarely need to use the AC or heat, which helps. It'll be interesting to see if the mild decline in range I've noticed of late continues through the winter. But it won't drop a lot because it never gets seriously cold here -- not in the sense a Canadian or a Minnesotan would understand, at least.
     
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  18. Not California, but as close as Canadians can get (which is precisely why I love living here)
    https://www.currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/Canada/hottest-cities-winter.php :)
    Heat is more a "comfort thing" rather than a necessity and the heat pump does an awesome job, consuming minimal energy. Charging rate @ DCFC suffers however as it is not within the "goldilocks zone".
     
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  20. Proving that access to public L2 charging is a necessity and must not be overlooked. In addition I might add until the infrastructure supports it, an equivalent balance of AC machines conveniently provided not be networked (requiring app or RFID) for emergency situations such as this. If our government wants to achieve our climate goals, subsidies must be provided (as they are now) and ongoing.;)
     
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  21. In my humble opinion no chargers should be "networked", that is requiring app or RFI, to 'fill up'. If a charging network want to build customer loyalty, offer apps or RFID but don't make their use mandatory. Gas stations have figured this out long time ago. On that note once gas stations get on the bandwagon most of today's charging networks will become white elephants. Gas stops already have enough power, for at least for a couple of 40 Amp L2 chargers. I think Petro Canada has already figured this out. Their L3 chargers are not cheap (C$20/hr) but so what if there are reliable? BP and Shell in Europe are already involved with charge networks.
     
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