Miles per wall kWh

Discussion in 'Cooper SE' started by AndysComputer, Jun 4, 2022.

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  1. vader

    vader Well-Known Member

    Totally agree. At 30mph (city speeds), air friction drops to 14lbf, whereas rolling resistance is still adding 15lbf for the Ioniq. It now becomes significant. The MINI thrives in the city, but isn't necessarily the best choice for lengthy high speed journeys.
     
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  3. Carsten Haase

    Carsten Haase Well-Known Member

    I recently found the EPA's data from the 2022 fuel economy ratings which include the "road load" coefficients that provide a plot of drag vs speed. I pulled out a couple of different EVs to compare. If this data is accurate, the RWD Ioniq is pretty clearly the winner for rolling resistance and beats the SE up to around 40mph. There is a trend that heavier has more rolling resistance but also outliers like the Ioniq and Lucid which beat lighter vehicles. Comparing the RWD to AWD Ioniq, drivetrain losses can also play a significant role!

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  4. vader

    vader Well-Known Member

    The tyre makes the most difference. A lot of EVs use low rolling resistance tyres pumped up quite high. A car with say tyres of 0.015 rr coefficient and 1000kg has the same rolling resistance as a car weighing 1500kg and tyres with 0.01 RR.

    I personally prefer handling over efficiency, so I drop the pressure to the performance setting.The drivetrain adds a little, but not much compared with the tyres.
     
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  5. Mark W

    Mark W Active Member

    CT
    So, does anyone have any numbers on their Clarity? With my Bolt, I get about 4 mi/kwh, and with my Ioniq EV about 5. These are warm weather numbers from the car's display, so actual must be lower. In winter Bolt drops to about 3 mi/kwh, and Ioniq EV just under 4 mi/kwh. Based on size and weight, I would think Clarity should be somewhere in mid 3s?
     
  6. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member Subscriber

    I'm too lazy to check the numbers in either my MINI Cooper SE or my Clarity PHEV, but I'm sure @MrFixit in InsideEVs' Clarity forum would have an answer for you. He keeps track of battery numbers.
     
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  8. pictsidhe

    pictsidhe Well-Known Member

    When I got my SE, I did some charging observations.
    The SE appears to have a parasitic drain of a few hundred watts while on charge. With a US level 1 charger, that is a chunk of the energy coming in. My 12A L1 managed an overall charge efficiency of around 65%, IIRC. Going up to 7.2kW L2, efficiency was around 90%

    Mine mostly get used for commuting. That is 19 miles each way, mostly on the interstate at ~70mph.
    I manage a little.over 4 in the summer. Temps around freezing, that drops well down into the 3s.
    I have noticed that shirt trips have some overhead. Long trips get better range than my commuting.

    I just did my longest trip yet. 335 miles. Mostly at 65-70. Temps started at 59, climbed to 54, then dropped to 42 at my destination. Overall it was 4.1mi/kWh.

    My best long trip was 4.4. enough for 146 mile range.
     
  9. pictsidhe

    pictsidhe Well-Known Member

    I once had a 130mph 100hp car. That would manage 50mpUKg at 80. In the ballpark of 85/40
    Yes, it was small, very small.
     
  10. Mark W

    Mark W Active Member

    CT
    Ha, thanks, found this thread from a search and didn't even realize I wasn't in the Clarity forum anymore!
     
  11. pictsidhe

    pictsidhe Well-Known Member

    A lot of our discussions would be better in an all-EV section. But then we'd need to talk to owners of inferior EVs.
     
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  13. SameGuy

    SameGuy Well-Known Member Subscriber

    YUL
    Be nice! :cool:
     
  14. pictsidhe

    pictsidhe Well-Known Member

    Hmmm, the forum removed the ;) from my comment. It must have thought it was in error?
     

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