Mercedes plug-in fuel cell SUV coming soon

Discussion in 'Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles' started by TeslaInvestors, Jan 2, 2019.

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  1. TeslaInvestors

    TeslaInvestors Active Member

    If Mercedes can package this correctly, it will kill the hydrogen FUDsters' main argument of hydrogen cost. People will gladly pay a few more dollars to avoid hanging around for hours at the charging stations with middle aged people wearing car-logo T-shirts and trying to sell each other some more cars.
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  3. marshall

    marshall Well-Known Member

    So are you planning to buy your Honda after you burn up the free fuel? Or are you planning to trade in your lease for this Mercedes and free fuel?
  4. TeslaInvestors

    TeslaInvestors Active Member

    Well, there is no "buy" option for Clarity FCEV. I'm almost through 1/4th of the lease, reaching 9 months and 15K miles.
    Even if there was a buy option, I won't buy it due to the high hydrogen cost. Also, I am not a fanatic. I still drive my gas powered SUV sometimes. :)
    Even with free hydrogen, it's not that cheap. If people do care for a good car, then it's nice. I think leasing it once is good enough support I gave to this technology. Now it's time for Honda and others to figure out how to get next round of buyers into this space. :) After 2.5 years, I will evaluate where things stand.

    My guess is that the Mercedes FCell, when it comes to US, may be out of my reach. But the rich Tesla Model S&X buyers may find it more suitable. Quiet, comfortable ride combined with fast refueling (no supercharger waits) and yet most of the commute is on cheap electricity at home. We will have to wait and see what kind of pricing Mercedes offers. I think, it is still at least a year before this comes to US shores.
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  5. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    The power output of the fuel cell is too high and the battery undersized with no fast DC charging listed. The fuel cell should be sized for maximum cruise speed and the battery for a 300-600 m hill. I base this on 3 years, 30,000 mi 48,000 km of BMW i3 driving.

    Bob Wilson
  6. TeslaInvestors

    TeslaInvestors Active Member

    BMW i3 in US was crippled due to California rules to get it qualified as BEV. In European models, it had the option to run in hybrid mode etc. so the driver could charge up the battery before a hill climb to draw power from the charged battery and when climbing hills. Mercedes F cell also has same kind of options, and can run in hybrid mode too to increase total power output.
    Mercedes already delivered the first batch to govt officials and people in the H2 mobility in November.
    Looking at the German hydrogen station map, seems it is good to go. A lot of stations all the way to Portugal and Denmark and Norway and UK.
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  8. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Living in Alabama, I'm using EU control laws.

    Bob Wilson
  9. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Kinda hard to come up with anything remotely close to FUD about trying to use something as wildly impractical, difficult to handle, and expensive as compressed hydrogen for fuel. I suppose comparisons to the Hindenburg qualify as FUD, and sadly we see a lot of those. I say "sadly" because it's entirely unnecessary to exaggerate the downsides of trying to use H2 as an everyday fuel. Actual facts, actual science, and actual basic economics are entirely sufficient to prevent any credible idea that compressed H2 could ever possibly become a widely used fuel for transportation.

    No offense to anyone who is actually driving a FCEV, but they are most definitely not the future of automobiles. The news was posted to InsideEVs recently that Mirai sales are finally starting to fall on a year-on-year basis. I'm surprised it took so long, and that the decline is starting off so slow.

    There may remain FCEV enthusiasts, just as there are still steam engine car enthusiasts, and there is a place in the world for both. But both technologies point to the past, not the future, of automobiles, and for the same reason: Because they are hopelessly inefficient when compared to more modern cars. Steam engine cars are hopelessly inefficient when compared to gasmobiles, and FCEVs are hopelessly inefficient when compared to BEVs.

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