limit of 2 dc fast charges per 24 hours

It'll be interesting to see how a better route planner takes this into account.

 

How do you know that? What did it do to stop you from charging a third time.

I have a Solterra and have DC fast charged more than 2 times in a day, and no problem. Basically the same car, built by Toyota.

I should ask, too, where are you located? And which battery do you have?

 

You didn't say what your SOC% for your 3rd charge. Charging is always slower with higher SOC. I have charged more than twice with mine, and never experienced a lower charge rate than the first two, when the SOC was the same or lower. And there are no reports on the Solterra or bZ4X forums of restrictions with more than two charges. This same article was discussed there but has long since been debunked.

Having said that there is an issue with slow DC fast charging in general, and Toyota has acknowledged that. It is expected they will issue a software update later this year to address that, as well as making the GOM range more accurate. Right now zero is not zero and it is estimated that it still has 10 or 20% SOC and range left.

 

You got a pretty decent starting charge at 45 or so kW. What was you SOC and outside temp at that time. Best I have seen on mine so far is 35kW. As for the drop, they do start to throttle down with more SOC, but usually not down to 15kW. It could be the charger, too, and it may have encountered additional loads with other people charging. Some chargers like to throttle down early.

How often do you fast charge? Are you on a trip?

 

I am not sure what you are expecting. Is this your first EV? This car is not a trip car with its lower range and slower charging. Having said that, it can do fine with shorter trips and a little planning, and knowing how and when to charge. In general, plan your driving to start your fast charge as near zero SOC as possible and don't try to charge over 80%. And overnight charge to 100% on a L2 charger before you begin your trip.

The best features of this car are its off-road capabilities. If that is not what you want, you bought the wrong car. There are many other EVs that are better trip cars.

 

Again, very much seems like you had unrealistic expectations. There were no surprises with my car, and it has actually exceeded my expectations in many ways. I knew before I bought about its charge rate, and that is no problem with me. I have gone on several ski trips with it, and it worked great for me. But I have no intentions of ever taking this car on a long trip, esp if I am in a hurry.

I had a Kona EV before, and it too, would charge slow sometimes, esp in cold weather. In summer it was much better. All EVs are that way. I have no doubt your car will do better in the summer. But again, it is not a trip car. And I have never heard anyone say it is, on the forums or a dealer. Take it for what it is, or get a different EV.

 

I understand your problem exactly, unrealistic expectations. You obviously did not research your car properly before you bought it. The car reviews and forums were pretty clear about the lower range and slow charging. It is NOT a trip car. That should not have been a surprise to you.

My ski trips are about 400 kms return. The drive is from sea level up to 5000' to the hill, sometimes in cold and snowy conditions. I charge twice, on the way up and then down at free chargers, about 1/2 hour each time and come home with about 100 kms remaining. But could probably get away with just one charge. Sometimes I do a 3rd charge at a free charger near home just to top off. I know what to expect and allow for that. I will be doing that same trip tomorrow again. I only go skiing if it looks like a good powder day, which means the drive up could be tough with a big overnight snowfall and will cost extra range. I allow for that. BTW, this car handles snow great.

Other than that, it is just driving around town, and plugging in at home. In summer, I will be driving to our cabin on a rough FSR road. We have an off-grid solar system, and will be charging the car there at no cost.

So I have exactly what I want and expected, so I am very happy with the car so far.

I do have a trip car on order, but until I get it will continue to use our ICE car for longer trips.

 

Hello, I’m a guy from The Netherlands and received my Solterra on DEC, 29th 2022. I want to share some Solterra experiences to help people. For me the comment of RP "I understand your problem exactly, unrealistic expectations" is not fair and off topic!

I had similar discussions with Subaru Benelux. Meanwhile my Subaru dealer agrees with my conclusions; fast charging and WLTP range is unacceptabel for this expensive car! For the same price I drove a Kia EV6 AWD and for nearly half the price I drove a Kia E-Niro. But hé, I'm a Subaru S-AWD lover too for decades!
So based on the figures in the (sales)flyer and a test drive I purchased the car nearly 7 months ago.

On https://www.solterraforum.com/threads/charging-speeds.905/post-11637 is my post on Solterra charging problems. And the next post (https://www.solterraforum.com/threads/charging-speeds.905/post-12199) is maybe positive news. Subaru (and Toyota) are seriously working on a software update.

 

I already posted about the slow charging and coming software updates. See post #7.

When I said unrealistic expectations, this is a guy that took his new bZ4X on a long trip that normally takes 9 hours of driving with an ICE car. This was in the winter and then he complained about the slow charging and low range. He should have known that this car is NOT a good trip car. That is actually a big understatement. It's primary advantage over other EVs is its high clearance and off-road capabilities. So if you do take it on a long trip, you better be prepared for a longer time trip. There are many other cars that are better trip cars, like the Ioniq 5 and Ioniq 6 which are super fast charging (10-80% in 18 minutes). Also he needs to know that in winter all EVs have less range and charge slower. And specs are always best case, ie summer and not hwy driving.

I have a Solterra, and it does everything I want and more. It has actually far exceeded my expectations. Its driving qualities and comfort are exceptionally good. I use it for short trips like going skiing and hiking (400 km day trips) and around town. In summer will use it to go to our cabin which is off a very rough FSR road. We also have an off-grid solar system there which I will use to charge the car. Meanwhile I have pre-orders in for an Ioniq 5 which will be our trip car.

Again, let me repeat, this is NOT a good trip car. That is not what you are paying for when you buy this car. But you will not find a better off-road BEV for this money, at least not at this time.

 

I still think your comments are off topic and the most important thing not very constructive and helpful in any way. I've the same problem with your comments on the Solterra forum.

On topic.
I was the first Solterra buyer in The Netherlands 9 months ago. At that time there was only a Solterra available at my dealer to preview. Not for a testdrive!
My dealer never let me down (for decades) so fine by me!
No tests available then. Only the specs in the folder and they are OK. It could, should and would be a great Subaru off-road and on-road(tripper) EV!

After my car was parked for 6 months in a Japanese harbour finally it came to The Netherlands and on december 29th 2022 it was delivered to me. Yes, by then I knew the fast charging curve tests of the similar BZ4x where terrible. Yes, by then I knew the WLTP range never matches the promised values in medium/cold wheater. But in 6 to 7 months maybe they solved a lot of problems, I thought. Subaru disappointed me and I let them know! Where in the sales folder is notified that you can only fast charge 2 times within 24 hours? Where in the folder I can find that the netto battery capacity is only near 60kW in stead of the 70kW. They have taken the customer complaints seriously in Europe. And there is no way back. Last weekend first OTA update for multimedia system is installed. And the technician from Subaru Benelux confirmed that the charge/range update will follow soon. This probably includes a SoC on the display!

Off topic.
Drive another car for every occasion?!
In The Netherlands (or other European countries) we don't have that luxury. Some people don't even have money for one EV.
Best off-roader (EV)? I drove a Kia EV6. Then you have a VW ID4/ID5 GTX and a Skoda Enyaq Coupe RS. Same pricing, better fast charging, more range and power. But I want a Solterra for better driving, more comfort, better looks, unique etc...and above all because it is a Subaru!

And best off-road vehicle ever my sold Subaru Forester.

 

Well, if you had been reading the Solterra forum, you should have known early on that the Solterra would not be a good trip car. You had been forewarned, and you still went ahead and bought it. And now you complain.

Range of 222 miles and 1 hour to charge to 80% as per specs does NOT make a good trip car. And this is in ideal conditions, not winter and hwy driving. Maybe this is your first EV, sounds like it to me. I had a Kona EV for 3 years and got to drive it in winter and summer. While it had more range than the Solterra, it also did not charge fast, esp in winter. So I learned too, that it is NOT a good trip car. If you want a good trip car, buy an Ioniq 5 or 6, or the Kia equivalents. The Solterra's best attributes are its off-road and snow capabilities. If that is not important to you, you have the wrong car.