HVAC me please

Discussion in 'Cooper SE' started by Brawndo, Nov 15, 2022.

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  1. teslarati97

    teslarati97 Well-Known Member

    The AC button should activate "air conditioning" mode from the chiller, effectively running the loop in reverse. As for the mythical "heat pump" dehumification, that does not exist because the water condensate is a self-contained closed system.

    Household heat pumps systems generally have interior and exterior condensate drain lines but it would be bad news bears frozen-line-no-heat for EVs.
     
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  3. Thanks, will mention this to the dealer.
     
  4. pictsidhe

    pictsidhe Well-Known Member

    Now it's cold, mine will heat with 'AC' on. It also defaults to 'AC'. I'd love to know what it is actually doing.
    Last week was around freezing. I've taken a ~25% range hit. Maybe I'll try no heat and a warm coat tomorrow afternoon.
     
  5. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member Subscriber

    See @Puppethead's Green+ mode experience in Minnesota at -3 ºF. He even rolled his windows down to avoid fogging the windows!
     
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  6. AndysComputer

    AndysComputer Well-Known Member

    In my experience having the “AC” on in cold weather with the temperature set to “normal” results in the system removing the moisture from the air which helps stop fogging.
    If you turn off the AC but set the windshield defrost to on most cars turn the AC back on.
     
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  8. Carsten Haase

    Carsten Haase Well-Known Member

    Basically, it's cooling and heating at the same time with only the one compressor (EKK) by using valves.

    The HVAC fan is blowing through the cold evaporator (10) then blowing through the hot heat exchanger (11) then into the cabin. The air blowing over the cold evaporator chills the air and reduces the humidity, then it heats it back up by blowing over the hot heat exchanger

    "If the heat pump is used in the mixed operation, the shutoff valves with the numbers 17, 20 and 21 are open. The shutoff valve with the number 18 is closed as there should be no reverse flow. This results in a division of the hot, high-pressure refrigerant. On the one hand, cooling of the high-voltage battery unit and dehumidification of the passenger compartment can be realized by the cooling at the evaporator, on the other hand, the divided heat transported with the refrigerant is used for the heat pump heat exchanger."

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  9. teslarati97

    teslarati97 Well-Known Member

    While that is the BMW i3 heating/cooling circuit, it should be slightly different for the MINI as the coolants to my knowledge are R1234YF for the A/C (plus heat) and water/glycol for the HV battery. Probably just physical space limitations with a retrofit?

    It's certainly more elegant for the i3 using a dead simple HV battery cooling line compared to the MINI's individual module/pack hose connections.

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  10. Carsten Haase

    Carsten Haase Well-Known Member

    True, I hadn't noticed that difference. Fundamental operation should be the same though.

    I'd imagine that MINI is just using another heat exchanger between the refrigerant loop and the battery loop (attached at 7) because otherwise cabin temp set point would be tied to the battery temp control and that would be bad
     
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  11. teslarati97

    teslarati97 Well-Known Member

    There should be a chiller and heat exchanger that's sort of in the "Yellow S" part of the MINI.
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  13. And yes, after 15 days the dealer finally diagnosed that the fault was with the actuator; well the diagnosing took a few hours, it was waiting for them to diagnose that took 15 days.

    They will replace the actuator on the 12 Dec for a week, and we will miss our SE for 5 days.

    And also since they will take out the dash, I now feel that our SE is going to be violated.

    And we only had the SE for a year and 3 months, the dealer said we are the only one who had this issue; I feel disappointed, 1st it arrived without the HK and now this. The dealers comment of, “that is why we have warranties” is not comforting at all.
     
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  14. SameGuy

    SameGuy Well-Known Member Subscriber

    YUL
    My “like” was one of empathy. Sorry mate.
     
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  15. teslarati97

    teslarati97 Well-Known Member

    Don't worry. I got your back! Liked the like.
     
  16. Thanks SameGuy & teslarati97
     
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