How much money fossil fuel money did Lorena Gonzalez actually take?

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  1. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    Noticed that Fred Lambert now has come out with article that really seems aimed at protecting this politician Lorena Gonzalez. This is what I've said about Lambert in the past. I recognize that he generally does good work but I think he is the most valuable kind of shill, the kind that banks up seeming credibility for the paid or captured pinch hitting.

    As for Mrs. Gonzalez. Taking any amount of money as a politician is really bribery and we all know it and its the grossest kind of crime because bit by bit it destroys a society and we know it isn't necessary because some don't and because when our society was working better (but still far from perfect) it was a crime and must become a crime again- the worst kind because no matter how we slice it, it ranges from undue influence, to bribery, to graft, to betrayal to prostitution and pimping (pimping us) and if your more nationalistic in bent its treason. But in particular there is an issue with the fake left especially on Green. Markey co 'sponsors' (that dirtiest word in the language 'sponsorship') the GND but he takes 60k plus in fossil fuel money which always has strings, and that's not just let us talk to you money.

    And in the case of this particular politician its not like she said F the Kochs. She said F the the symbol and head of the organization that is doing more about green than any other. So when you break down her money it looks like she only took half as much as Markey but then you look closer and the biggest by a chunk of her bought and paid for money is 'uncoded,' and I don't think we should be charitable here my guess is its uncoded because most of it is from fossil fuels and people have made the case based on her voting record. And in this context the claim would be that the largest amount of her bribe money came from fossil fuels.

    Now the other part about the fake left is they hide behind labor and enable the hostage taking of working families by the fossil fuel industry. Yes at one time fossil fuels were about American force and being able to cut off people's power supply and projecting American power and making sure there wasn't a WWIII by keeping the world's energy source in a form that could be largely cut off but for a long time now it has simply been cotton part 2 and a scarcity inducer, it has been about slavery and dis-empowering average citizens, and literally nothing undermines ordinary citizen's life prospects like tying up future government spending with useless totally regressive spending on backwards fossil fuels and its rent seeking property models- private sector is a myth government is the prime mover- that is what fiat currency means- it is all public private partnership and the first in line to suck the government tit wins in a kind of zero sum way that is the new meaning of competition.

    Lorena Gonzales co-authored the CA forced vaccination bill with Senator Richard Pan and you can find a ton of parallels between Richard Pan and Alameda's Erica Pan- same ideology same kind of power mad medical fascism- have to go to Ajit Pai to find equivalent in seething contempt for people.
    The Pans are connected by more than a sir name and the same demo, same cohort, same locality, same profession, same specialty and sub specialty and same activism and same ideology it seems. So is this group or who ever is behind it going to take whatever this is by proclamation a corona virus (flu virus that they apparently don't call a flu virus for marketing or other reasons) and try to have it force injected into everyone (civil liberties- as in needle rape) where that may spread it and may cause infection in the person injected and keep it around at large keeping it recurring and imply re-injection year after year where each new injection only addresses last year's infection if even that and can't help with the current infection- ask how successful flu vaccines have been against flu (?)- not at all- didn't help with this flu. Ask why Japan has had so much better health outcomes than the US for decades for so much less money and it abandoned vaccines decades ago over safety and efficacy(?) Ask who will be made to pay for this because the insurance industry sees the sham and won't pay for it- oh yes the government tit. I think the truth is vaccines are an obsolete generally last resort approach (a throw back to something like mercury antibiotics) always with questionable efficacy and safety but if they are going to be used it should be oral as the route- don't bypass the tonsils. But why in the age of CRISPR, and microbiome and stem cell when we know more about how to strengthen the immune system would we use that old junk that entails literally injecting a slightly weakened version of a mutable self repairing pathogen into people's bodies and then go on with the statistical blather aimed at the innumerate about herd immunity though vaccines when that nonsense couldn't convince the Japanese state especially with their tons of empirical experience before and after the mistake of vaccines? Could use stuff like grass fed raw gamma globulin- but look the FDA made that illegal not long ago. And then look at the vaccine industry- if there is anything more corrupt than fossil fuels that's it, at best it seems to run on public placebo but otherwise seems to be spam- its been caught foisting hoaxes- to no damn consequence which tells you it is a propaganda arm. Climate science of course, but this stuff? They don't have a right to our blood streams no matter what they say or what they manufacture it is that damn simple! It is utterly non-negotiable. Its part of their sham science marketing to insist for instance that DNA is a blue print (far from the case-, proteonomics, epigenetics and so on) but viruses modify your DNA (!)- you really want their special virus in you? Do you trust them and do they deserve your trust? I don't think so. You already have 60x more viral bodies in you than you have human cells why would you need their special virus on top of that? But their story is: this is a special virus that is a big time global killer but they need to isolate it, mass manufacture it and inject it into you to keep you and your family safe- its a tradition... that couldn't cut it in Japan and this is no flu really that could be brushed off or we wouldn't take it seriously. Its at least a pretense but when it is bad it might as well be small pox as a pretense.

    Let us have something else, let it be homeopathic if necessary- that worked against typhoid better than everything else and the queen's physician is a homeopath- she can afford the best and that's the best for a lot of stuff. Let it just be an antiviral for the already afflicted- so sensible if effective- never put unnecessary junk in children's bodies- infant death was at the core of why Japan rejected vaccines. And let us be honest if we can think and we are aware we all trust and respect the Japanese medical system a lot more than the US system with too often is a pile of sponsored garbage.

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  3. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    I am not someone who laments the shutting of business or busyness- I don't like business, don't think its has a right to exist and think employment is crime because no one can own organizations which a cover for defacto owning people (actual slavery) and owning their relationships (associations) through the nonsense of claiming to own organizations- I don't believe in rent seekers or rent seeking and think of a rent oriented society as an engine of theft, but even I see if you want a high indexed non discretionary, permanent, cradle to grave income that makes work optional for every one ( its a social contract breaker if its optional for even on silver spooner but not everyone else) then this is not the way to go about it. This looks more like the kinds of things Dr. Steven Greer talks about. When we look at how pissed a member of the forced injections group (Lorena Gonzales) got over pushing back against house arrest it really does look like a conspiracy. After all that seems to be the stupidly obvious setup it is going to go from house arrest to forced injections as was said normal means a vaccine! This seems like a real conspiracy but what flavor of conspiracy? The late Paul Hellyer Canadian Minister of Defense in his last book (a recent one) said that WWII never ended and the Nazi's met in the Red House hotel (allusion to Egypt- surely where we get our White house- look at all the ovals on the Luxor pillar and the white house grounds) there the Nazis right before the end changed tactics and regrouped for a 4th reich that would be financial and of course we know they went to South America but many of their scientists went to North America through operation paper clip. This has the medical experimentalist flavor of the Reich they did these kinds of experiments very aggressively as everyone knows on their population. They are the kind that would definitely clash with someone who says what the world needs more of is love.

    Disability is a very powerful force. Franklin Roosevelt elite that he was, said that his biggest disappointment in life was being rejected for the Porcilian club at Harvard (where capitalist pig epithet must come from in left lore- has the ring of the crime of profit) and that rejection led him to propose a wealth ceiling based on 50x what GIs made or had, GIs who would lose their life fighting Nazis to in part save a leisure class. That threat got him progressive legislation. We now have President in the oval office who appears appears to have what may be a vaccine damaged son- perfect timing against these needle Nazis. And look at how stupid they are about this, criticize this antiquated tech and they want to arrest you in the UK and censor in the US. Something is very wrong.
     
  4. SouthernDude

    SouthernDude Active Member

    Um....... what does any of this have to do with EVs? This is an EV forum not a conspiracy theory forum. Go take this stuff to another forum.
     
  5. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    I am very glad that Tesla will move its head quarters out of CA and take its taxes with it. That can be done overnight without moving a lot of personnel or moving them very far even from the bay area. It will rock CA and I think cause an identity crisis for CA on the world stage. Because CA has been getting away with claiming its greener than it is and dragging its feet in too many areas for instance on fracking. The idea that Tesla would leave CA for Texas is pretty telling. But in particular I hope this works to end the political careers of 3 politicians. 1. Richard Pan 2. Lorena Gonzalez and 3. Erica Pan

    My concern with all 3 of these politicians is they have been pushing in a rabid way an obsolete technology that is as the experience and long practice of the state of Japan shows neither safe nor effective (Japan literally dropped this technology) and pushing it through law in CA in a way that absolutely violates people's civil rights in the grossest most contemptuous manner on false pretenses that surely goes beyond mere ignorance or malpractices. It seems there has to be malevolent intent here and intent that aligns with enriching a super dirty industry through in essence manufacturing, injecting and spreading viruses at a time just prior to our having very serious civil liberties issues over a strange possibly man made virus. Our rights should be expanded in times of crisis not the least as hedge against a diet of crises chipping them away to nothing. And then in the case of Lorena it is seeming quite likely that her biggest donor is the fossil fuel industry as her voting record shows and the amount of her 'uncoded' contributions suggest this as well and she got really angry when CA's number one green company was coming out of lock down earlier than the companies opponents would have wanted and where she is also running to be the CA treasurer which would be a disaster for the state based on what we see where there is no way she can really support working families if she is a fossil fuel pawn and also where she appears to be an example of totally fake green in action. The nexus of all this just screams literal conspiracy. And it screams it in a way where everyone that is true green or true left should be able to relate but also in a way that many on the right can relate to. Pan's forced vaccination bill is an abomination and it must be repealed. As the case of Japan shows there are better technologies and better approaches out there and there has been for a long time and in the interim there has been a revolution in the understanding of immune systems and biotech and we don't need this old obsolete tech forced on people and we can't allow or remotely tolerate the worship at the altar of medical authoritarianism. Japan ditched vaccines with great results long before the microbiome revolution that redefined what a human is and none of that has cast vaccine tech in a more favorable light- on the contrary. The lies the vaccine industry tells are titanic, they won't even allow consideration of say Japan's approach it is all just run on authoritarian dogma and I think part of that is from a history of causing great harm and not being able to reverse without that coming out. The study of viruses is another matter and of course is critical but the practice of injecting the same viral pathogen in a weakened state into people as a prophylactic for the illness associated with the same pathogen- apparently we should have moved on from that long ago.

    The story that is out there right now is that a possibly man made virus is at large and is justification for more fear mongering and terrorizing but also that we can't get back to normal (governor's words) until we have a vaccine or which presumably means allow private for profit firms funded by the state to inject us with a version of this possibly man made virus. That is pure insanity. Its as if they think of each of us as a windows operating system with a broken domestic spying module that they can just force patch to force domestic spying. It is a similar mentality it seems. Also a bit like BMW having a problem with fires and the running all fake articles claiming it was Tesla's problem same kind of pattern. Lets say for the sake of argument that what is coming next is an attempt to force a claimed flu vaccine on everyone what does that say for your liberties (no matter what the pretense or the excuse) when they can do the equivalent of hold you down and inject you (even if in general it is just raw coercion without holding down it is still violence)- what does that say about your liberties it says you've been slippery sloped into a state of being treated as defacto property. it is a green light for a totally disarmed learned helplessness tested population. Its true they did gain some trust by closing businesses and apparently prioritizing life over business and profits- excellent. That is true but they need a technical solution that is more sensible and trust worthy than a vaccine. They can't be forcing a whole population to take drugs or vaccines or anything else its a precondition of trust and a functioning social contract. Those politicians who've hinted we may never have a vaccine are much more sensible. But look for the signs on what ever they come up with. What are they doing in Japan? Is it an oral preparation? Better yet is it an antiviral that is effective and only used against actual cases and is it oral in format? Do virologists actually take it- do their they let their children take it? The right really has to step up here its same argument the NRA makes. Some debate now whether Switzerland was at the least complicit now but they told the German state: guaranteed it won't be worth the trouble.
     
  6. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    If someone said 6 months ago that the greenest company in the greenest state would be leaving that state over what on the surface looked to be medical authoritarianism? Would you say that is something ordinary? Its not. What about if I said just prior to that the fossil fuel industry would have collapsed the global economy again but is going to be able to blame it on a convenient virus and beg for hand outs again like it did in the 08 derivatives collapse where even then the majority of the derivatives were ensuring stranded fossil fuel assets? This looks to be about same old groups wanting to tie up the next round of government spending and deny it to opponents in the typical zero sum. Why didn't the politician doing the name calling run for the other party? Think that fake democrat and green could be counted on for critical green votes.
    Its the right forum.
     
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  8. SouthernDude

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    No. You are rambling about vaccines while trying to tie that in with Tesla leaving CA and that the corona pandemic is somehow some kind of fossil fuel conspiracy to get subsidies. It doesn’t make sense and is crazy. Complain about vaccines and weird conspiracies on another forum.
     
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  9. At the very least his posts should be moved either to the Tesla forum or the Off Topic down below. Certainly his conspiracy rantings don't belong in our General forum. Where is Dominick??
     
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