Electrify America Rate Discrepancy

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  1. Jimct

    Jimct Active Member

    So I charged at an EA station in Mass., with the following session results:

    Energy delivered: 38 kWh
    Charging time: 00:41:55
    Total cost: $6.71 ($0.16/min.) + .42 tax, = $7.13, $0.188/ kWh

    The same session in Conn. would have been charged at the per kWh rate of $0.43, which would have totaled $16.34 (+ tax). A difference of almost $10.

    When I contacted them about the discrepancy, they only said currently 22 states + D.C. are charging the .43/kWh rate, the remaining states at $0.16/minute. Eventually they expect to convert all states to the $0.43 kWh rate. Does anyone else besides me take issue with this?
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  3. marshall

    marshall Well-Known Member

    Paying by KWh is the fairest. Paying by the minute favors those who can maintain their charge level the longest at close to the maximum level for that tier. A car who's charge level tapers off is at a disadvantage under the per minute plan.
  4. Jimct

    Jimct Active Member

    I have no problem with paying by the kWh. My point was that for the same car under the same conditions the cost per kWh is much higher in the per kWh states than in the $0.16 per minute states. 38 kWh in Mass. was $7.00, ($0.18 per kWh) that would have been more that $16 in Conn. at $0.43 per.
  5. marshall

    marshall Well-Known Member

    Clearly, at 16 cents per minute, EA is charging too little for the electricity.

    EVgo has a similar issue. They charge 29 cents per minute, no matter the charge rate. So an Audi E-tron gets more bang for the buck then a Chevy Bolt. Plus, now that they are installing 100KW - 350KW chargers, it's even worse for Chevy Bolt owners.
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  6. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    In a recent Sandy Munro video, he made an off hand comment that SuperCharger operation is making money for Tesla. Given about 70-80% of all EVs are Teslas, SuperCharger sells a bunch of EVs and recoup a lot of revenue from the electricity sold. In contrast, the weak response of other EV makers:
    • business hour, dealer chargers - often blocked by their own inventory, they are not available 24x7
    • disconnected fast DC chargers - so instead of using sales to cue location, 3d parties try to shadow the Tesla SuperChargers
    • absence of manufacturer and dealer advocacy for either L2 or fast DC chargers
    So I'm fairly sanguine about the SuperCharger network as Tesla has nearly 10 years lead over the 'honorable' competition. We've seen early mistakes of Electrify America (EA) as for the others ... only EVgo seems to have a clue as they were active before EA.

    Bob Wilson
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  8. marshall

    marshall Well-Known Member

    That's changing.

    In Seattle, Nissan is sponsoring 100KW EVgo chargers and GM I believe is sponsoring EVgo 100KW-350KW chargers.
  9. DucRider

    DucRider Well-Known Member

    Rivian is putting in 3,500+ 300kW chargers (600+ locations - many designed for vehicles towing trailers) and 10,000 11.5 kW L2 chargers by the end of 2023.
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  10. Jimct

    Jimct Active Member

    Shhh. Maybe they won't notice.
  11. SSpiffy

    SSpiffy Member

    Rivian chargers will only be usable by Rivian vehicles. So for the majority of us, they don't matter.
    Gene 2020 Honda Clarity
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  13. DucRider

    DucRider Well-Known Member

    The L2s are open to anybody, and the subject of the thread included discussing the Tesla Superchargers (open to only Tesla) and manufacturers that were committing to build out. Rivian is putting money into the charging infrastructure to a degree that no other manufacturer besides Tesla is willing to.

    Rivian is adding 10,000+ EVSEs you can use with your Clarity, and many will be at different locations than the other networks. As an example, they inked a deal with the State of Colorado to install at least 2 EVSEs in every State Park.

    Rivian can (and might in the future) open up its DCFC network with the "flip of a switch" since they are utilizing standard CCS equipment.
  14. Recoil45

    Recoil45 Active Member

    I'm anti regulation in general, but this is where gov could step in and make an improvement. Charging station/standards should be universal and open to everyone. For reference, Ford's don't have a special gas nozzle that Chevy's can't use.

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  15. Earl

    Earl Active Member

    . . . or anything about EVs in general.
    To the other ICE makers (that have been forced to make an EV), EVs are punishment dealt to them by the government. Their initial attempts to claim the EVs: won't work, nobody wants them, etc were foiled by Tesla. They hate EVs.
    The charging infrastructure companies are either idiots (Chargepoint), government pork (Blink and most of Chargepoint), oil companies hedging (Greenlots), or they are only doing it as punishment for their crimes (EVgo, EA). Is it any surprise that they offer terrible service? Would you expect a prison chain gang to "go the extra mile" or "thank you for the business"?
    I would never count on these companies for my charging infrastructure.
  16. Recoil45

    Recoil45 Active Member

    45 binary?

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  17. Earl

    Earl Active Member

    ever seen a diesel pump? Regular? Premium? and years ago leaded -vs- unleaded?
    Philosophically, I, too, would love to see a universal and open standard (I'd also like to see unicorns - yes, really), however, it would have to be paid for universally. The majority of the auto industry (100% if you exclude Tesla), have flat out refused to pay for chargers (with the exception of Nissan's early lame attempt) and used the charging standards only to obstruct Tesla, rather than serve the good that standards can provide.
    There actually was/is a global, universal open standard developed by TEPCO (Tokyo Electric Power COmpany). It is called CHAdeMO. However, it was poorly designed and really, just to reduce range anxiety for urban EV drivers who were afraid to go very far from their home-base charging stations until they had fast chargers around as backup plans. The same obstructionist ICE companies who rebuffed Tesla's offer to help support Superchargers also rebuffed CHAdeMO and, instead, created a 3rd standard - CCS. Then, of course, the Europeans rebuffed that even further and created yet a 4th incompatible standard.
    The government (heavily influenced by the ICE industry), has screwed up everything they've done when it comes to EV infrastructure. It would be like believing in unicorns to think they will ever be able to do anything - Hydrogen anyone?
    There's really only one force in the world that is making EVs happen. Everything else EV related is just being pulled along by that force (with the possible exception of early Nissan Leaf activities).
  18. Yup, that's him, or at least a very close copy. I said that in another thread recently...
  19. Earl

    Earl Active Member

    nope, sorry.
    not 0x2D either. Just an old school EV driver recently arrived here, focused on the future, trying to keep the truth known.

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