Electric motorcycles!

Discussion in 'Other EVs' started by Domenick, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. electricvehicles

    electricvehicles New Member

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  2. weave

    weave Active Member

    Wish there was a separate forum for just motorcycles, but I guess interest must be demonstrated first.

    Well, I'm interested. Now I have a PEHV, I have the fever and looking at an electric motorcycle. This would even be more ideal for me than a car because I don't get to ride my motorcycle as often as I want -- especially in the Winter. Having that motor sit around for several weeks without being started isn't the best thing for an ICE of any sort. An electric motorcycle would be awesome for occasional riding -- as long as I kept it somewhat charged. Also the lowered maintenance would be a big win too.

    The one thing holding me back is storage. I need something with saddle bags to throw my kit in.
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  3. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    Really enjoyed this video put out by Alta Motors. It's a bit long at 9 minutes, but tells its story quite nicely. Well worth the watch.

  4. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    This thread has been stale too long and much has happened. Alta, thought to have had funding secured after a deal with Harley-Davidson, ceased operations not long after Harley announced it was opening its own R&D center. (crazy!)

    Now, Harley has officially revealed its all-electric bike, the Livewire.
    At $29,799, it has a 110-mile range and lots of people offering up their opinion about it. Here's one I (mostly) sympathize with.

  5. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    I've never owned a motorcycle, but $30k for what appears to my inexperienced eye to be only a mid-sized 'cycle -- not a large touring motorcycle -- does seem rather overpriced. Yeah, an EV drivetrain will drive up the price on the Livewire (I do like the name!), but it shouldn't drive it up that much.

    Does that fit with your opinions, Domenick, or am I just showing how clueless I am about this subject? Go ahead -- be blunt!

  6. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    The name is good.
    Harley does charge more than this for its 3 wheelers, but it's higher than most of their bikes.
    For price comparison, though, you have to judge it against others on the market. Although a slightly different form factor -- it's more sport bike -- the Energica Ego starts at $22,565 and features some high-end components. It has an 11.7 kWh battery and should have more range than the Livewire. It also has a 107 kW motor (148 lb. ft of torque) in an excellent chassis and is said to handle quite wonderfully. It's also made in Italy.

    So, using this for comparison, it makes the Harley about $6,000 too much. At least.
  7. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

  8. That Alta Motors bike if they made it in dual sport configuration would be nice, Alta is in turmoil at this point in time so I don't know how that'll play out, the Zero DS looks to be the best choice for my type of riding but it's still too much $$ I've been riding motorcycles all my life and my current dual sport came in right at $5000, if any of them could just get sub $10,000 I'd probably jump all over it.

    My current ride. Suzuki DR650


    I traded in my cruiser for it because the fun don't stop when the road does. Street legal dirt bike more or less.
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  9. MajorAward

    MajorAward Active Member

    You are right about the sound. Harley needs to dip their toes in the water, though, since things can change pretty quickly.
  10. Could always incorporate it into a wicked vehicle noise for pedestrians.
  11. Cash Traylor

    Cash Traylor Active Member Subscriber

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  12. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    RideApart wrote about this yesterday. I kind of like the look and the range sounds good (though it's very optimistic if I remember correctly). The price...is $7,995, which I feel is kind of high.
  13. Cash Traylor

    Cash Traylor Active Member Subscriber

    It likely requires certified batteries if used on public roadways. The certification for that can run 10's to 100's of thousands. Without the cert they likely cannot get product liability insurance. I can build it for less than that - but the battery pack alone would still cost me about $8K if I bought IEC/UN cells. The parts are not expensive, it's what a lot of folks don't understand, its the product to market requirements. If you sell it as a kit with the included liability release of a DIY product you can cut costs by 20-30%. If they are not making thousands of these (and I doubt it yet) the amortization is likely a little scary.

    Remember, someone sued for hot coffee in their lap, imagine what the suit for a battery fire between your legs would be...

  14. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    Oh, I get that. I'm not saying it's their fault or anything. It's just that it doesn't strike me as great value. It's still cheaper than the entry Zero FXS by $1,000, though. Ultimately, consumers will decide if the value works for them.

    I wish there was a program to help with the development/certification costs for products like this. That would really help domestic companies compete with the cheap import stuff.

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