Did Tesla really stop testing brakes to meet their production goals?

Discussion in 'General' started by David Green, Jul 3, 2018.

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  1. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

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  3. Viking79

    Viking79 Well-Known Member

    My understanding is it was a redundant test, and all vehicles still underwent operational testing. For all we know the test never found issues, who knows. I would be more worried if problems arose because of this, but honestly it sounds more like attention grabbing Tesla news, not an actual issue.
  4. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

    Since it was reported by employees, and then Tesla cobbled together an announcement, I find it fishy... but we will see... I think the NHTSA will take a look and let us know if it was important.

    How about Elon pacing the line yelling at employees to hurry... do you find that troubling? I have worked on race teams, and been in many tight time crunches, but I do not think I would do my best, or most meticulous work with a boss standing behind me yelling, or even in the building yelling, it makes everyone nervous.
  5. Viking79

    Viking79 Well-Known Member

    I have worked for managers like that at crunch time and it leads to employee burnout if it continues too long. Micromanaging usually doesn't help either. All to meet some self imposed deadline.

    The issue is he has a lot of people that want him to fail and it puts him in a difficult position. If he misses the deadline people would be all over him. If he meets the deadline people complain about something else (this news story). It is what it is and he needs to concentrate on delivering quality cars.
  6. TeslaInvestors

    TeslaInvestors Active Member

    No, the issue is him gloating about meaningless goals. Who gives a rat's *** about a single week's production? Just tell me the steady state average rate or the quarterly target. Where is it? That is the number that helps analysts predict revenue and margin.

    By setting up this tent, Elon proved that he has no intention to continue high rate of production longer term. Otherwise, this tent is just waste of money.
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  8. Viking79

    Viking79 Well-Known Member

    Tent gives him a place to work if doing adjustments to GA3.
  9. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Four years in the Marines and a series of stressful jobs with yelling managers taught me a valuable lesson:
    • Put the work down and explain what is going on and how your work will fix it. Include estimates of when the next milestone will be met.
    It is a communications problem with the boss who needs to understand what is broke and how you are going to fix it. The 1-2 minutes spent explaining pays big dividends as the boss will calm down, step away, and get the resources if needed.

    Bob Wilson
  10. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    I also think it's time for the person calling himself "David Green" to admit he's a dedicated, long-term TSLA "short" investor, and that greed (and an attempt to manipulate the stock price) is the motive for his ongoing anti-Tesla FUD campaign here. He has repeatedly claimed that he isn't an investor in TSLA, but his comments over the past day or two to Tesla news articles at InsideEVs betray detailed knowledge of Tesla's finances, and certainly a much better understanding of those finances than a non-investor like me has!

    For example:

    The selloff of Tesla stock yesterday and today is not individual investors, it is institutional investors, look at the volume yesterday, and in the first hour this morning… This is institutional… they were not impressed with the deliveries, and all the spin in the press release. [citation: https://insideevs.com/tesla-production-deliveries-graphed-q2-2018/#comment-1490148 ]​


    Profit taking does not dump 5M shares in the first 30 minutes of trading… How many Tesla shares are controlled by individuals? 20M total? I am guessing, so that means 25% sold at low prices this AM? I do not think so…. Profit taking happened late last week, shorts increased at the same time… what is happing since yesterday is a more of a dump… The data Tesla released is disappointing. Wall Street caught wind there was another factory shutdown that was not publicly scheduled. Sunday and Monday this week, no production… [citation: https://insideevs.com/tesla-production-deliveries-graphed-q2-2018/#comment-1490286 ]

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  11. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

    Ummm, both of my posts are absolutely true, Volumes were too high to be casual traders... That is clear.... Posting a news story, and my opinion is not trolling, you taking my comments out of context and posting them to meet your narrative is. Don't you have something better to do then attack individuals? I just stick to the news... :)~ BTW, did you see I-Pace won Car of the Year, and Best Premium EV?
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  13. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Calm my friends.
    I am pretty sure the NHTSA does not get involved with what happens in the factories. An owner has to file a report that with credible data leads to an investigation.

    Bob Wilson
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  14. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    I wasn't at all suggesting that your comments regarding stock trading are untrue. I don't know enough about the subject to have an opinion. (Financial matters are a subject on which I treasure my ignorance! :) )

    I was merely pointing out that your claim that you have no financial interest in Tesla is not credible; you have very clearly demonstrated the opposite. Your ongoing FUD campaign of constantly creating new FUD threads to attack Tesla -- like this one -- is almost certainly motivated by your presumably "short" investment in TSLA.
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  15. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Tesla is still learning lessons on how to efficiently build their factories and cars. But they are building cars. As for quality control, it is a management tool. If they have found some area is consistently producing at very high levels and there is downstream confirmation, eliminate the intermediate inspection.

    W. Edwards Deming, the father to modern quality systems, says this in #3:

    Cease dependence on inspection to achieve quality.
    You build quality by improving practices.

    Bob Wilson
  16. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

  17. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

    Posting a news story about an EV company is not FUD. I even stated in the post "if true" before I gave opinion... Also not FUD...

    As for reading stock trends its pretty easy to see when institutional investors are coming in or going out. On the ticker there is Average Daily Volume, and when you see a stock jump or tank on opening and the first 30 minutes volume surpasses the average daily volume that means there is big money moving on the stock, either up or down. For Instance the day GM announced the Softbank investment into GM Cruise, the volumes were off the chart and the stock climbed over 10% right on opening which is institutional money coming in. This is not always a perfect way to track, but more accurate then not. Anyway, I am no pro, and make very few investments myself. I am usually into a few companies at a time, and usually companies I clearly understand their business. Tesla is not simple enough for me to understand, because there are so many metrics at play. Therefore I stay away.

    On the stock, I do not care if Tesla goes up or down, but I get tired of the nonsense constantly posted by Tesla fans, and the way they attack my (and other peoples) factual posts. Tesla has a big group of followers that throw reason out the window, and are just fan boys. I really like the I-Pace, but more then happy to discuss the perceived flaws (its a short list), but I am balanced. Tesla is like a little league baseball team in the car world, but they talk and make statements like they are the Yankees. And their hard core fans... Annoying... Just like Yankee fans. My favorite moment in baseball history was game 5 of the ALDS 1995 in the Kingdome, when the Mariners knocked the Yankees out of the playoffs. That was also the loudest game I have ever attended (almost as loud as a NASCAR race), and I have been to record setting Seahawk games. Actually most Tesla owners are not in that fan boy column, they are much more realistic and honest. They may be slightly misinformed, but I find all of the ones I know pretty cool... Even if I happen to mention something less then positive about Tesla they shrug and tell their story. Every one of them has a story about service visits.
  18. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

  19. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    From CleanTechnica: "Business Insider Resorts To FUD As Tesla Streamlines Model 3 General Assembly Lines — #Pravduh"

    CleanTechnica's report on this subject begins as follows:

    From the same team that brought you the unsubstantiated hype about Tesla’s demise… From the creators of the overblown stories of each and every Tesla that ever caught on fire, may have caught on fire, looked like it could have caught on fire or was potentially, allegedly parked in a location where the sunshine could, on at least one planet in the universe, result in a fire… We bring you a story from Business Insider that frames up Tesla as a terrible company because it ditched the “brake and roll” test for the Model 3.


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