Budget Battery Capacity Readout

Discussion in 'Clarity' started by MrFixit, Feb 27, 2021.

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  1. MrFixit

    MrFixit Well-Known Member

    If you don't have any dashboard settings that you want to preserve, just load the .cbz, and then in the custom sensors section you can load the individual cells - claritypids_indivcells 032321.csp

    If you don't clear out the custom PID's before loading the individual cells, I think it will add them to the others (and will hopefully not break the dashboard associations).

    In fact, I think this may not break the default dashboard settings in the backup file anyway... Loading more PID's like this will likely just add the new ones. If you erase them all, then they disconnect from the dashboard and new ones won't re-connect. Car Scanner may repair this odd 'feature' for us...

    I haven't tried this, but that was the intention. Report back if it works as described.
     
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2021
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  3. bpratt

    bpratt Active Member

    It did work as you suggested, but the dashboard values were all too large. I went into individual entries on the first three dashboards and corrected everything. Here is an example of how dashboard #3 looked before I modified it:
    Screenshot_20210324-154434.jpg
     
  4. MrFixit

    MrFixit Well-Known Member

    That's very odd.
    Were they large like this after the initial 'restore' from the .cbz, or only after you imported the cell voltages?

    In general, I used 100 as the text size for the numbers, and 48 for the titles on each dashboard entry (unless the title was too long, then I reduced it).

    I wonder if my sizes only worked because I was using a tablet... Maybe they need to be smaller to fit properly on a phone.
     
  5. Theoburns

    Theoburns Member

    I haven't purchased a device yet but I am extremely interested in knowing when the brake lights activate. Hopefully this new sensor makes that possible. I have some evidence that the brake lights often come on unnecessarily when using ACC and this would help confirm my suspicions.
     
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  6. MrFixit

    MrFixit Well-Known Member

    I don't think the existing sensors would reveal when the lights themselves are on... That is an interesting question though.
    I'll look to see if we can find something that would indicate that the lights are on.
     
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  8. Theoburns

    Theoburns Member

    The brake lights are activated any time the brake pedal is pressed, but the brake lights can also be activated by heavy enough slowing in ACC. I have a theory that ACC never uses the friction brakes, only regen, I suspect that only CMBS (Collision Mitigation Braking System) uses the friction brakes. I'm not sure of that but maybe this sensor will help answer that question, i.e. my theory would be confirmed if this sensor never seems to activate in ACC even when strong regen occurs.

    But yes a sensor related specifically to the brake lights would be nice also if there is one available.
     
  9. Ohliuw

    Ohliuw Active Member

    Got my vgate pro today - how do I import the backup in iOS??? I can only restore backups I made within the app.

    thanks
     
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  10. lanb

    lanb Active Member

    First off, thanks a bunch for getting this whole setup and process figured out with a few others in the forum.
    Yes, I have the same issue with the fonts (pic attached) on my Android phone. I think we need to adjust it down
    for folks using phones. Minor issue really compared to the work you have put in. Thanks again !!

    Here is my actual data (already updated the google doc)
    Build - 7/18
    Bought - 9/18 (Within a week of car arriving at the lot)
    Model - Base
    Mileage - 21888 miles
    EV driving - 90%
    Battery Capacity - 47.44 Ah (quite low compared to others)

    I scanned the spreadsheet and I think the main factors influencing the capacity are
    1) % of EV driving
    2) Ambient temperature

    Being in the desert southwest, I suspect my battery has degraded more than others in the colder northern states/canada
    for similar mileage and EV % driving.

    cs_dash1.jpg
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2021
  11. Robert_Alabama

    Robert_Alabama Well-Known Member

    @lanb , I am close to you in mileage (approaching 20k). I have a little over 60% EV compared to your 90%. Both cars are essentially the same age. Alabama is probably closer to your temps than our northern car owners, but probably not quite as hot as in the desert southwest. My Cap reading was 51.9 Ah. I suspect that I am helped somewhat by the lower EV usage and I always park in a cool place to charge (either the lowest level of a parking deck at work which stays pretty cool - lowest level is essentially below ground or in my basement garage which is always pretty cool as well - always in the 70s F). I also try not to leave my car charged at 100% too much of the time. When I can remember to catch it, I will stop charging at 90-95% if I don't think I'll need all the battery the next time I drive it. I really don't think that helps much to add to the life of the battery, but I thought I'd mention it.
     
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  13. MrFixit

    MrFixit Well-Known Member

    Clearly the text settings are too large on the sample dashboards.
    I'm sure this is probably because I set this up on a tablet.

    Can someone suggest aesthetically pleasing sizes for a phone?
    I will change them and re-send a backup file.
    There are three size settings for each dashboard item (title, value and units).
    I had them set to 48, 100, 48. Or, if the title was too long, I lowered it some.
     
  14. MrFixit

    MrFixit Well-Known Member

    I don't know anything about iOS, but if the backup set isn't cross-compatible, then you will have to import the sensors and set up your dashboards manually. I believe that should work OK.

    Has anyone with iOS been through this?
     
  15. Ohliuw

    Ohliuw Active Member

    Not sure if they are compatible as I can’t even figure out how to point to the the restore file (ie there is no “browse” option).

    i have emailed the developer
     
  16. Ohliuw

    Ohliuw Active Member

    ok, just tested in Android 48.9.

    bought in August 2019. 29k kms, maybe 25k in EV mode. battery pretty much fully charged on L2 and discharged 6 times a week.
    Seems like it's excessively degrading, no?

    we are in QC, so uses a.lot.for.heating in winter, but we dont have a lot.of.hot days that would be bad for.the battery Screenshot_20210325-080201.jpg Screenshot_20210325-080127.jpg
     
  17. Ohliuw

    Ohliuw Active Member

    So the warranty kicks in at 30% loss, which is at 38.5? Mine is leased for 4 years, so I will see how it goes over the next couple of years and decide if it will kick the bucket before or after the warranty expires to see if I keep it or return it.

    12% for 1.5 years seems a lot
     
  18. MrFixit

    MrFixit Well-Known Member

    Warranty is 2/3 (33.33% loss, or 36.6 Ah).
     
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  19. Ohliuw

    Ohliuw Active Member

    hmm, I thought it was more like 70%, not 66. We will see how it degrades over the next 2 years, as I don’t anticipate the usage pattern to change much.

    Also, my car was a floor model and obviously they didn’t give me the capacity at delivery- the checklist they gave is probably the generic one they use for all cars. So it might have already been down as I doubt they maintained the battery at 40% when unused.

    aren’t the other manufacturers at 70%?
     
  20. bpratt

    bpratt Active Member

    They were large like that after the initial restore. Importing the cell voltages made no difference.
     
  21. MrFixit

    MrFixit Well-Known Member

    Please pay attention to these threads...
    Post #191 mentioned "other" manufacturers.
     
  22. lanb

    lanb Active Member

    Agree. I think your 60% EV equates to less charging cycles and 70 F is our winter highs :)
    The million dollar question for all of us, will the degrade slow down as the battery ages or if it will continue
    at the same pace. I plan to monitor by taking monthly or quarterly readings.
     
  23. lanb

    lanb Active Member

    See my post above you. The higher % of EV driving equates to more charging cycles which I think is the #1 reason for
    battery degradation.
     

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