2019 Leaf "e-Plus" (60kWh)

Discussion in 'LEAF' started by Kenneth Bokor, Jan 8, 2019.

  1. comadose

    comadose New Member

    One other daft thing is the UK pricing. If you want nice paint it pushes the price over 40k, so you get hit with the luxury car tax of £1,600 on top.

    Nice paint starts over £2k because of that!
     
  2. Kenneth Bokor

    Kenneth Bokor Active Member

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  3. apu

    apu Member

    Unfortunately electrify Canada really just means metropolitan east and west coast of Canada. Absolutely nothing in central Canada. I'm in Manitoba. The only way I could drive to Toronto or Vancouver with a BEV is by driving through the States. BEVs are otherwise pretty much landlocked in central Canada. It might change a bit in the fall with Petro-Canada stations sporting new chargers. Although its not clear what capacity these chargers will have.
     
  4. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    Well, that's disappointing. It looks like they left the Maritimes out of their plan too.
     
  5. Kenneth Bokor

    Kenneth Bokor Active Member

    Maybe, I've not seen their complete rollout, but for bang for the buck it makes sense to start in major urban/populated areas and go from there. However, others are also stepping up like Camion and Petri-Canada, that will offer more connectivity along the Trans-Canada Highway coast-to-coast.
     
  6. comadose

    comadose New Member

    Nissan has announced that this year's Skyline will get Navigate on Autopilot, with full hands-off operation. On-ramp to off-ramp, no touching the wheel.

    Hopefully the Leaf will get it soon too.
     
  7. Kenneth Bokor

    Kenneth Bokor Active Member

    Yes tech progresses in small steps. It probably will at some point, however I'm old school and would not trust it for complete driving.
     
  8. interestedinEV

    interestedinEV Active Member

    Even though the term AutoPilot is used, Autopilot is a Tesla term, the Nissan equivalent is ProPilot.
    Read the article and it is limited. You have to basically stay in one lane only. http://autotimesnews.com/news/nissa...-does-not-require-keeping-hands-on-the-wheel/

    Nissan has expanded the capabilities of the ProPILOT Assistance System, adding the function of semi-autonomous driving on highways with the ability to move without hands. The new technology will debut on the Japanese Nissan Skyline this fall.
    The road autopilot Nissan so far can only work on certain roads and is not able to independently drive and exit from the highways. .........When driving at a constant speed in one lane for the first time, you are not allowed to keep your hands on the steering wheel, but any maneuver will be accompanied by an audiovisual warning — for example, to change lanes, you will have to take the steering wheel and turn on the turn signal. A set of cameras, radars, ultrasound sensors, GPS (therefore the autopilot does not work in tunnels) and high-resolution 3D maps are used for the autopilot operation. In addition, the system constantly checks whether the driver is looking at the road. Autopilot has a number of restrictions: it does not work on highways with two-way traffic, on winding roads and at entrances to payment points on toll roads.


    A similar complex called Super Cruise is in Cadillac. This is also a semi-autonomous autopilot for highways with a limited number of entries, which does not require the driver to keep his hands on the wheel at all times. To operate, Super Cruise uses the driver’s eye tracking function, a set of cameras, topographic data obtained from the lidar, and information from the navigation system.


    I would not either. Lane control, adaptive cruise control, warning if I am going too close is great and I will use those features. Not sure if I want to surrender full control, at least not for now.
     
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  9. comadose

    comadose New Member

    This slightly better article shows that, like autopilot, you have to have your hands on the wheel when it wants to make a lane change: https://www.engadget.com/2019/05/16/nissan-skyline-propilot-2-driver-assist/#/

    I know it can do hands off in he US but according to Consumer Reports it drives badly and sometimes breaks the law: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/0...st-autopilot-far-less-competent-than-a-human/

    "Autopilot" is a generic term for these systems, like "hoover" has become generic for vacuum cleaners.
     
  10. interestedinEV

    interestedinEV Active Member

    Based on my limited knowledge, the only company that has gone beyond the basic "follow the car before you" is Waymo. There is a lot of hype but it will take a few years before we are close to autonomous driving and that even 95% of the situations that a driver sees in a day can be handled. For the next few years at the minimum, I want to have the control.
     
  11. DJP

    DJP New Member

    Nova Scotia got a bunch of Flo Level 2 and fast chargers a year ago which allow you to travel around the province without a problem. https://blog.flo.ca/nova-scotia-launches-network-of-12-new-fast-charging-stations/ . New Brunswick is also building out their charging stations network. https://www.nbpower.com/en/about-us...-vehicles-continues-to-grow-in-new-brunswick/. Drove to PEI last year and it was all Level 2 stations --just as well the distances there are limited.
     
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  12. Kenneth Bokor

    Kenneth Bokor Active Member

    Was at Fully Charged Live 2.0 in the UK this weekend, great to see a very strong Nissan Leaf presence including this cutaway of the 62kWh Plus!
     

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  13. comadose

    comadose New Member

    That's an extremely compact battery, especially as it has no cooling.

    I hope they bring the new ProPilot to the Leaf soon. Hands free navigate-on-autopilot for motorways, on ramp to off ramp.
     
  14. Kenneth Bokor

    Kenneth Bokor Active Member

    I'm going to be reviewing a Leaf Plus later this month and the early reports are the pack works great with no thermal issues or throttling. 70kW to 80%, then tapers to 40+kW to 100%. That is outstanding when using a 100kW or higher DCFC EVSE.

    I'll see what I can do to it when I have it.
     
  15. comadose

    comadose New Member

    That will be great, looking forward to it.
     
  16. DJP

    DJP New Member

    I did a 800km round trip on the week-end with my 2018 LEAF and had multiple fast charges where the 1st fast charge of each day was at 41kWh and the subsequent ones at 21kWh. I've been really wanting to find out how the Leaf Plus goes with multiple fast charges. It's interesting that there haven't been any reports of problems which makes me a little hesitant to make the assumption that there aren't any. But maybe bad news gets more attention than good news. I hope you get the opportunity to do multiple charges in one day with freeway driving. This past week-end I kept the car's speed at 100km/hour to reduce energy consumption and to keep the battery temperature under the hot line. Last year I did the same trip and went the 120km/hour speed limit for 2 hours of the trip on the way there. After the last charge the car warned that the battery was over heating and the power would be reduced. Kind of freaked out my daughter who was driving at the time.

    I love my 2018 Leaf and on my rare road trips I factor in its charging limitations.
     
  17. comadose

    comadose New Member

    Part of the problem is that there are very, very few 100kW CHAdeMO chargers available. It's hard to properly test it with only 50kW available, although hopefully it can at least get near 50kW consistently.

    Ideally it will be like the Kona and Niro, able to do multiple 75kW charges and 120km/h runs without an loss of charging speed.
     
  18. Kenneth Bokor

    Kenneth Bokor Active Member

    Great feedback, my experience is very similar and my highway methods too! I'm still trying to get the BMS update for those affected MY2018 40kWh Leafs from Nissan NA so keep tuned. I know through reports from some friends of mine in the UK that in your example of 21kWh for the subsequent, they are still pulling over 30kWh with the update.

    As far as the Plus is concerned, you are correct not hearing anything means it is doing well, however I will try my best to test it out next week!
     
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  19. Kenneth Bokor

    Kenneth Bokor Active Member

    Hi yes I am aware of that, I don't even know if we have any 50+ kW chargers in GTA. I will have to try to find one. Otherwise, my testing will consist with multiple DCFC at 50kW stations.
     
  20. comadose

    comadose New Member

    Even 50kW is more than enough to make the 40 rapidgate, especially with motorway driving in-between. Even with the BMS update it still does it, just a bit less.

    30kW is not an acceptable "rapid" charge rate with a battery this big. Really anything under about 42 from a 50kW charger would be disappointing.
     

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