evse recommendations?

I think with most AHJ, hard wired would be considered ‘permanent’ and plug in would be considered ‘temporary’.

 

The National Electric Code now requires GFCI on any 240 V outlet. Since EVSEs have their own GFCI, hardwiring is the only way to get around having double GFCI. In addition, eliminating a receptacle reduces a potential point of failure. I've seen photos of 240 V outlets that have melted due to defects or poor installation, and BEVs draw a lot of energy over a long period of time which puts quite a load on the circuit.

My area adopted the NEC that required me to hardwire my Grizzl-E. It's not a big deal, easy to swap out the cable.

 

I have a Besenergy 32 amp with the wifi connection en route.

Anyone have positive or negative things to say about Besenergy? It says TUV approved which I read somewhere is as strict as UL.

The prior owner built an extension and the breaker box is in the basement by the garage. I drilled the hole and bought 6 gauge wire. Now I have to decide if I am going to open up the sheetrock or try to snake the wire between the wall since I want the outlet about chest height.

Bottom is the hole to the basement, about where I want the outlet is outlined above the hole.

 

In my one experience with 6-gauge wire (when installing my EVSE), bending that wire is a difficult proposition. It doesn't seem "snakeable" to me.

 

I ran 6/3 wire up from a breaker box, through an attic, and down through a wall. The only holes I had to cut in the drywall was for access into the attic section and the hole for the outlet. Definitely not easy but doable.

I used a combination of a "steel fish tape", a scrap solid core copper ground wire, and rope to get mine pulled through the wall. Basically I got the rope routed through the wall with the fish tape and copper wire hook then taped the 6/3 wire to the rope and pulled it back through.

 

Expecting my car to arrive this week, so I finished working on the garage so I could get to my 240V outlet, then I installed the old Grizzl-E Smart. (not really old, but I HAVE had it for over a month).



Have not connected it to WiFi yet. Before mounting I did confirm the DIP switch setting for 24A as requested on order. You can see it is connected to a heavy-gauge adapter to my 14-30 outlet.

Rob

 

My (now) older Siemens EVSE plugs in and is mounted on a simple rail on the wall -- meaning you can literally take it with you for an easy plug-in at (for example) an RV park outlet or use at a vacation home and/or if you sell your house & move (just leave the outlet behind, not the expensive EVSE). So I think there is some definite upside in the outlet approach too.

 

Wasn't hard. Snaked it between the wall. But it was only about three feet.

Hardest part of the install was getting the firmware updated. It took 1.8 hours to charge the car from 70% to 100%.

I would recommend a different unit only because the besenergy comes with a 20' cable which i thought would be sufficient. 22' feet would give me the slack i want. If there is a next time it will be for a unit with a 25' cable. The box is against the wall by the front of my wife's car, going across her car to the rear of the Mini is tighter than I would like.

 

I know some people have been using the Tesla EVSE with an adapter but it seems Tesla is now making a J1772 version! At $415 it seems like a pretty good deal and definitely looks nicer than my Grizzl-e

https://shop.tesla.com/product/j1772-gen-2-wall-connector

 

I should note that this is a Gen 2, which means it can be daisy chained with up to three other Gen 2 wall connectors ON THE SAME BREAKER (using a communication cable to share the load if/when more than one car is charging). My setup is two of them on a 60A breaker; both have Tesla nozzles but I have one using a Tesla to J1772 adapter. I can plug and unplug either car at any time and the two connectors alter their draw to stay at 48A continuous.

The Gen 3 Tesla connectors talk via WiFi (vice the cable) and, therefore, must be on their own breakers. Much worse, IMO. Additionally, their promised load sharing capability has not been turned on, yet, AFAIK.

Oh, the Gen 2 cable is big and heavy. Some may not like that, but for me, more copper is better.

 

Do they have a 240-Volt supply cable that doesn't appear in the photo or do they have to be mounted directly over an outlet box?

 

Mine was only for hard mounting, because it can pull up to 80A on a 100A breaker. The listed one mentions a 50A breaker spec, so it may not be the exact same guts. But it doesn't look like it has an external power wire.

I have heard of people making a pigtail with a plug for their wall connectors,, but that wouldn't be UL listed and might not be to code.

 

Definitely different, but perfect for the SE (if you like the design):

Providing up to 9.6 kW (40 amp) power output for a single vehicle, the J1772 Gen 2 Wall Connector includes a 24-foot (7.3 meter) cable length, multiple power settings and a versatile indoor/outdoor design.​

The price is good and I like the shared load feature. It seems like a nice extra choice for EVSEs.

 

Congratulations! I just took delivery of my 2022 SE 6 weeks ago and don't really miss my old Scion FRS. I wonder how many others have turned in their sports cars for the Mini SE.

 

Same. I've had my MINI for about 8 months now and I don't miss the 370Z at all. I loved it, but I have absolutely no regrets having switched to the MINI! Congratulations on you 2022 - enjoy!

 

I can't seem to find this "new" Tesla product at the Tesla store or anywhere else online. Even this link gives me a 404 error. Anybody know what happened, or where to find the product now?

 

Didn't turn one in, but I was shopping for a small roadster to cruise back roads. I've always missed my TR6. I was looking at the Miata and its Fiat twin when I happened to stumble across the SE and glad I did. Seems perfect except perhaps a soft top, but then there are disadvantages to soft tops. Don't think a retractable metal roof would work with the SE hatch

 

It may never have actually been a product. See this post.

 

Maybe it never actually was a product, as you say. But why go to the trouble of posting it initially to the Tesla Store for purchase? I just don't get it, although I readily admit that I am not very familiar with Tesla's business practices. Even the linked article referred to in the post states, "Meanwhile, the recently introduced Tesla J1772 Gen 2 Wall Connector with the SAE J1772 plug for non-Tesla EVs, is gone (the product page is empty). We have no idea why."

I already have my own L2 EVSE (which was purchased and installed over 3 years ago), but I did recently recommend that a new SE owner in my area consider this Tesla product. But now it has vanished, without explanation! IMHO, this is a very strange way for Tesla to do business.

 

I agree I looked and did not find either.