Production Hyundai Kona revealed w/specs!

WadeTyhon said:
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In monthly press releases, when touting their crossover sales, Bolt EV will often be mentioned.

My guess is this is because of the almost identical utility between the Bolt and the Trax/Encore/Soul/Kona.

But reviewers often hesitate to call those crossovers as well. And the Bolt is even less SUV like than those.

Regardless, GM marketing it as a crossover is a positive. They’re tying it to a popular category.

If they wanted to hurt sales they would call it a hatchback or wagon lol. :rolleyes: A simple change of a single word can drastically affect consumer perception.
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Thanks for the snapshot. Hadn’t seen that on their site before, or missed it.
 
Cypress said:
I’m starting to have my doubts. Smaller, slower, and more expensive than the Chevy Bolt.
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i read that the North America will only get the larger battery pack/bigger motor version. so, it'll compare most favorably with the bolt and any other. if its a bit smaller than the bolt, it will still work for many, especially as a commuter. I'm currently a soul EV owner, so this will be great coming from my car. i'm also guessing some of other new models from VW, Audi and Nissan will make these choices easier.
 
dubluv said:
i read that the North America will only get the larger battery pack/bigger motor version. so, it'll compare most favorably with the bolt and any other. if its a bit smaller than the bolt, it will still work for many, especially as a commuter. I'm currently a soul EV owner, so this will be great coming from my car. i'm also guessing some of other new models from VW, Audi and Nissan will make these choices easier.
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Yeah, I had been really excited about this one. As the ICE Kona has AWD as an option, I was expecting the EV to have it. If it was AWD standard at these prices it would be a no brainer decision. But as mostly a Bolt clone, I would go for the Bolt over the Kona.
 
Domenick said:
I think they'll build as many as they can. It comes down, basically, to people buying it (pretty likely) to how much volume its supply chain can handle.
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if they're building around 40,000, half of them will go to S.Korea first, the rest to Norway and Europe. i don't see too many making their way to North america
 
Cypress said:
Yeah, I had been really excited about this one. As the ICE Kona has AWD as an option, I was expecting the EV to have it. If it was AWD standard at these prices it would be a no brainer decision. But as mostly a Bolt clone, I would go for the Bolt over the Kona.
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i think it unrealistic to expect 4WD in this car for around bolt money. seems like you'd overlook the rear seating if it had 4WD? c'mon, you really want a tesla model Y for Hyundai prices. I'm on your side, and would love to see 4wd option, but I doubt we'll see it considering how small the car is, but then anything is possible, perhaps in a future model?
 
dubluv said:
i think it unrealistic to expect 4WD in this car for around bolt money. seems like you'd overlook the rear seating if it had 4WD? c'mon, you really want a tesla model Y for Hyundai prices. I'm on your side, and would love to see 4wd option, but I doubt we'll see it considering how small the car is, but then anything is possible, perhaps in a future model?
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The ICE has AWD as an option. It can’t really cost too much more to add an electric motor.


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how much extra do you think it would increase the price by having 4wd? how much extra is the 4wd tesla over the rear wheel drive?
 
dubluv said:
how much extra do you think it would increase the price by having 4wd? how much extra is the 4wd tesla over the rear wheel drive?
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Cypress said:
For ICE Kona, AWD is only a $1300 option.
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Wow, that's cheap! I think electric AWD would be more expensive. An electric motor for Hyundai to buy has to be at least $1,300, then there's the inverter and all the software/hardware engineering to implement it.

I could be way off here, but I would expect AWD option to be $5,000.
 
The Model S dual motor option was $5k. And that’s on a luxury brand. I don’t think it would cost nearly that much for something like a Kona. Edmunds list the average AWD option as $1300 - $3500 (F-150).
 
Cypress, awd on an electric car is more than an ICE car because its a second motor, there's no transfer case like an ICE. I'm sure awd will be coming to many EV's in the next few years, but to expect if for $1300 is not going to happen right now.
 
Cypress said:
The Model S dual motor option was $5k. And that’s on a luxury brand. I don’t think it would cost nearly that much for something like a Kona. Edmunds list the average AWD option as $1300 - $3500 (F-150).
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Thanks for that. It's quite likely that Hyundai could implement it for a good bit less, then.
 
dubluv said:
Cypress, awd on an electric car is more than an ICE car because its a second motor, there's no transfer case like an ICE. I'm sure awd will be coming to many EV's in the next few years, but to expect if for $1300 is not going to happen right now.
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Electric motors are fairly inexpensive, especially bought in mass quantities.
 
Cypress said:
Electric motors are fairly inexpensive, especially bought in mass quantities.
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I'm used to looking at electric motors from a retail perspective. Not cheap. UQM, for example, used to sell their motors for $30,000 apiece (to use an especially egregious example).

Here is a better example of electric motor retail pricing: the AMR liquid-cooled 150 kW = $9,288. (I know there are cheaper 150 kW motors out there -- especially from eastern Europe -- but this is one of the few US designs, and it's pretty good, from all accounts.)

I'd love to know what manufacturers pay.
 
Domenick said:
I'm used to looking at electric motors from a retail perspective. Not cheap. UQM, for example, used to sell their motors for $30,000 apiece (to use an especially egregious example).

Here is a better example of electric motor retail pricing: the AMR liquid-cooled 150 kW = $9,288. (I know there are cheaper 150 kW motors out there -- especially from eastern Europe -- but this is one of the few US designs, and it's pretty good, from all accounts.)

I'd love to know what manufacturers pay.
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From the UBS teardown of the Chevy Bolt, they estimated powertrain costs of about $13,500. $12,500 of which they estimated for the battery pack. So that leaves about $1000 for the rest of it, motor, inverters, controllers, etc.
 
Cypress said:
From the UBS teardown of the Chevy Bolt, they estimated powertrain costs of about $13,500. $12,500 of which they estimated for the battery pack. So that leaves about $1000 for the rest of it, motor, inverters, controllers, etc.
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That sounds crazy cheap. I need to watch that video.
 
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I put this together. It’s not perfect as the images are not from the exact same angle. But the wheelbase of the cars are the same and the overall length is listed as the same. I scaled the images to align the center of the wheels.
 
I think one of the issue with Hyundai/Kia and AWD will be that they have the battery packs exactly where the rear motor would be going, which is under the rear seat and back under the trunk. They can't add AWD even if they wanted to, unless they completely redesign the vehicle. The decision to have the platform set up to be able to support HEV, PHEV, and BEV seems to be a hard limit in this case.

An dedicated EV can be designed with the skateboard type pack, so then there's easily room to put a rear motor in, but the Kona and the Ioniq are very low vehicles, so they couldn't fit a skateboard pack in there without raising the height by a sizeable amount.
 
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