Ran my first Summon test

[bwilson4web]

The come to me button—which is a shortcut to the come to me function deeper in the summon menu—only appears when the car is ready and warmed up for summon. Yes, the standby mode keeps the car ready for summon at the cost of constant battery power draw, but you can also enter the summon menu to trigger the getting ready, which it will show a the bottom of the screen. Once it is ready you could back out and the come to me button should be there.

I've been using the "Come To Me" button but I'm only getting ~10 m per segment. The car stops and I have to press the button again and the car continues for another ~10 m before stopping. So I got the car to me in three segments:

I haven't tried the summon sub-menu, yet.

Bob Wilson

 

[Pushmi-Pullyu]

Sorry, not meaning to just bash Tesla. My responses were more to the over the top hyping posts by Bob, which in my opinion were just not that smart.

Bob is an engineer who has posted many technical info to this forum, which is much appreciated by me, and I presume by others. He's even paid to attend one of Sandy Munro's automotive engineering conferences, to hear Sandy and others talk about and display what they have learned about various BEVs in their teardowns of the Model 3, the BMW i3, and the Chevy Bolt.

If you think Bob or his posts are "just not that smart", then I'd say that's much more of a barometer of your ability to judge than any measure of Bob and his knowledge of EVs.

Then I can't help but notice the deficiencies, or lack of features on his M3... [snip] ...uncomfortable leather seats with no ventilation or even perforations (seats in Kona much softer and luxurious)... [snip] ...and generally a very plain, cheap looking interior (Kona feels much more luxurious).

Everyone is of course entitled to his or her opinion, but that comes across as more than moderately biased to me. I have seen literally no reviews of the TM3 that complain about uncomfortable front seats; not a single one. Now, if you mean the rear seats, then you should have specified that. There have been a lot of complaints about uncomfortable rear seats, altho Tesla has improved the padding back there.

You do, however, have a valid point about lack of perforations in the leather or faux leather seats. That's a complaint I've seen elsewhere, and I don't understand why Tesla would cheap out on that.

Also, there is a rather large difference in quality between a "spartan but elegant" interior, and "very plain, cheap looking" one. The latter description appears to me to be going beyond subjective opinion, and into the realm of bias or even deliberate bashing.

 

[Pushmi-Pullyu]

Haha! Bob, no-one on this forum is envious of you...

Factually incorrect. I'm certainly envious of Bob's impressive engineering expertise, as well as him getting to attend that Sandy Munro engineering conference on EV tech!

 

[R P]

Bob is an engineer who has posted many technical info to this forum, which is much appreciated by me, and I presume by others. He's even paid to attend one of Sandy Munro's automotive engineering conferences, to hear Sandy and others talk about and display what they have learned about various BEVs in their teardowns of the Model 3, the BMW i3, and the Chevy Bolt.
I know many engineers (had some that used to work for me) and know very well how their minds work (not all the same of course). They sometimes tend to not see the forest for the trees, and can get lost in the weeds. They are very analytic, but sometimes need help to determine how to best weigh and utilize the information. Bob sounds very typical to me.

If you think Bob or his posts are "just not that smart", then I'd say that's much more of a barometer of your ability to judge than any measure of Bob and his knowledge of EVs.
What I mean there is that he is very selective with his info and fails to acknowledge ANY deficiencies (that I have pointed out) in his M3. That tells me his arrogance over rides his intelligence if the thinks that is not blatantly obvious. To me, that is not very smart, more juvenile actually.

Everyone is of course entitled to his or her opinion, but that comes across as more than moderately biased to me. I have seen literally no reviews of the TM3 that complain about uncomfortable front seats; not a single one. Now, if you mean the rear seats, then you should have specified that. There have been a lot of complaints about uncomfortable rear seats, altho Tesla has improved the padding back there.

You do, however, have a valid point about lack of perforations in the leather or faux leather seats. That's a complaint I've seen elsewhere, and I don't understand why Tesla would cheap out on that.
And no ventilation. Sweaty butts can be very uncomfortable. Hard to believe this is missing in a car at this price. Even my son (who still loves his M3) complains about the seats.

Also, there is a rather large difference in quality between a "spartan but elegant" interior, and "very plain, cheap looking" one. The latter description appears to me to be going beyond subjective opinion, and into the realm of bias or even deliberate bashing.

Press the quote above to get my inline responses.

And you, Pushmi-Pullyu, with your selective responses to the deficiencies I described,... again very telling to me. You don't even try to defend the lack of Carplay/Android Auto, awkward ingress/egress, noisy interior (for a car this price), and others.

 

[bwilson4web]

I spent time last night trying to get a single, summon to bring the car. But all I could get were short segments:

• Model 3: V2.5 hardware
• Firmware: 2019.32.11.1
• iPhone 5s (in water/shock resistant case)
• IOS: 12.4.2
• WiFi - OFF
• TSLA App: Version 3.10.0

This is the parking lot for testing:

Testing was done on a dark and lightly stormy night:

There are two ways to activate with the simple button:

There is also a sub-menu:

In the sub-menu, we have the basic and advanced summon:

Here is the advanced option but I didn't try changing the destination. Regardless, it shows we were within range:

Independent dash cam:


Tesla dash cam video:



Bob Wilson

 

[Pushmi-Pullyu]

Press the quote above to get my inline responses.

And you, Pushmi-Pullyu, with your selective responses to the deficiencies I described,... again very telling to me. You don't even try to defend...

I don't appreciate your attempts to hijack this thread about Tesla "Smart Summon" with a laundry list of mostly niggling complaints, at least some of which are nothing but symptoms of your rather pronounced personal bias against Tesla cars.

It's rather weird, and also telling, that you feel that I am somehow personally obligated to respond to every item on your laundry list, as though I'm an official Tesla spokesman.

If you feel the need to discuss your laundry list, then start your own thread to do so, and stop hijacking legitimate discussions.

 

[R P]

I don't appreciate your attempts to hijack this thread about Tesla "Smart Summon" with a laundry list of mostly niggling complaints, at least some of which are nothing but symptoms of your rather pronounced personal bias against Tesla cars.

It's rather weird, and also telling, that you feel that I am somehow personally obligated to respond to every item on your laundry list, as though I'm an official Tesla spokesman.

If you feel the need to discuss your laundry list, then start your own thread to do so, and stop hijacking legitimate discussions.

You should look in a mirror. David and I were discussing with Bob the issues with the Summons feature. Then you jumped in and started bashing and attacking, instead of talking about the car and issues. So I would say you are the hijacker, not me.

Don't know about you, but I have actual direct experience with the M3, so know a little about its deficiencies and good points (which I have also mentioned). If that sounds like bias to you, that's your problem.

So if you don't want to talk about the M3, I would say you bud out, and go start your own thread about whatever you want to talk about. I am not interested in a pissing match. Go find someone else...

 

[bwilson4web]

David and I were discussing with Bob the issues . . .

Since I have a test article, I went to the lab to gather facts and data. Opinions are not much use in the real world.

Bob Wilson

 

[R P]

There wasn't a lot of technical content going on but more opinions. Since I have a test article, I went to the lab.

Bob Wilson

That's OK, Bob, my issues are not with you, more with PP and his behaviour. David and I expressed our opinions about Tesla's practice of sending out software and letting customers test it at their risk. I accept your reasons for doing it,... and carry on with your tests and results. It is your car and your choice. But I would appreciate your not calling the rest of us who don't, stupid or not smart. No need for that. Our issue was with Tesla, not you.

 

[bwilson4web]

Ploink.

Bob Wilson

 

[David Green]

That's OK, Bob, my issues are not with you, more with PP and his behaviour. David and I expressed our opinions about Tesla's practice of sending out software and letting customers test it at their risk. I accept your reasons for doing it,... and carry on with your tests and results. It is your car and your choice. But I would appreciate your not calling the rest of us who don't, stupid or not smart. No need for that. Our issue was with Tesla, not you.

Bob's tests are interesting, show how flawed the not so Smart Summon really is. My results were actually better than Bobs, the Model S I tested worked as intended 1 out of 4 times, but there sure was not any machine learning, as it got worse the second time from the same location.

 

[David Green]

You should look in a mirror. David and I were discussing with Bob the issues with the Summons feature. Then you jumped in and started bashing and attacking, instead of talking about the car and issues. So I would say you are the hijacker, not me.

Don't know about you, but I have actual direct experience with the M3, so know a little about its deficiencies and good points (which I have also mentioned). If that sounds like bias to you, that's your problem.

So if you don't want to talk about the M3, I would say you bud out, and go start your own thread about whatever you want to talk about. I am not interested in a pissing match. Go find someone else...

Do not bother with PP, I blocked him a long time ago and stopped replying to his posts, he does not even have an EV, nor does he do much research, so it's just a waste of our time to communicate with him. I did forward his post bashing TFLC over to Roman, so he can see the intelligence level that exists in the church of Musk. Haha!

 

[Pushmi-Pullyu]

You should look in a mirror. David and I were discussing with Bob the issues with the Summons feature. Then you jumped in and started bashing and attacking...

I really don't understand why anyone would make a false claim like this, when it's so easy to scroll back and see who posted what.

You have post #2 in this thread, which begins "What other car company uses their customers as guinea pigs and testers the way Tesla does?" You're not discussing the features or usefulness of "Smart Summon" at all, you're just bashing Tesla.

My first post in this thread was #14.

That's OK, Bob, my issues are not with you... [snip] But I would appreciate your not calling the rest of us who don't, stupid or not smart.

Let's see, who was it that posted:

...the over the top hyping posts by Bob, which in my opinion were just not that smart.

Oh yeah... that was you, "R T". I guess you think it's okay for you to do that, but not anybody else?

BTW -- You are looking more and more like the troll that someone suggested to me that you are.

 

[R P]

BTW -- You are looking more and more like the troll that someone suggested to me that you are.

The real troll is you, PP. Go away... We just want to talk EVs and don't need your constant harassment.

 

[bwilson4web]

Source: https://www.consumerreports.org/aut...mmon-performance-doesnt-match-marketing-hype/

Consumer Reports tested Tesla’s recently launched Smart Summon feature on our Model 3, and we found that the automation was glitchy and at times worked intermittently, without a lot of obvious benefits for consumers.

We tested the feature over several days at our Auto Test Center in Colchester, Conn., and in nearby parking lots. Our analysis comes on the heels of a flurry of social media posts from Tesla owners critical of the feature.

Tesla says Smart Summon is one of the first products in a suite of technologies it markets as “Full Self-Driving.” The automaker activated the feature for car owners using an over-the-air update at the end of September.
. . .
Jake Fisher, CR’s senior director of auto testing, says consumers are not getting fully tested, consumer-ready technology. In essence, he says, Tesla owners are being enlisted as beta testers to help fine-tune the technology for the future—even though they’re paying $6,000 ($3,000 rjw) up front for the promised automation.

“What consumers are really getting is the chance to participate in a kind of science experiment,” he says. “This is a work in progress.”
​

My testing continues.

Bob Wilson

 

[R P]

Source: https://www.consumerreports.org/aut...mmon-performance-doesnt-match-marketing-hype/

Consumer Reports tested Tesla’s recently launched Smart Summon feature on our Model 3, and we found that the automation was glitchy and at times worked intermittently, without a lot of obvious benefits for consumers.

We tested the feature over several days at our Auto Test Center in Colchester, Conn., and in nearby parking lots. Our analysis comes on the heels of a flurry of social media posts from Tesla owners critical of the feature.

Tesla says Smart Summon is one of the first products in a suite of technologies it markets as “Full Self-Driving.” The automaker activated the feature for car owners using an over-the-air update at the end of September.
. . .
Jake Fisher, CR’s senior director of auto testing, says consumers are not getting fully tested, consumer-ready technology. In essence, he says, Tesla owners are being enlisted as beta testers to help fine-tune the technology for the future—even though they’re paying $6,000 ($3,000 rjw) up front for the promised automation.

“What consumers are really getting is the chance to participate in a kind of science experiment,” he says. “This is a work in progress.”
​

My testing continues.

Bob Wilson

But really, Bob, instead of releasing it to everyone for testing, shouldn't they pick a set of "super users" and let them go at it first? That would be a lot safer. And instead of users having to pay, Tesla should pay them for help with their testing. And I think you are probably the ideal candidate for them to utilize in this manner.

 

[bwilson4web]

Ran another short test this morning at the dog park. It took two segments to reach me but well within my expectations.

Bob Wilson

 

[bwilson4web]

A short test at a local fast-food restaurant taught to make sure the car won't block the in ramp.

Bob Wilson