About the Tesla pest

[bwilson4web]

Nice Chart Bob, I do not have time or desire to plot my vehicles consumption. I just drive it, and so far is drives quite well, even out performing a Model S 75D on our Oregon trip.

Sounds like it is meeting your expectations.

. . . My point was if saving money spent on transportation was your primary goal, . . .

It is "operational cost" I'm saving. I know it is a foreign concept to some but not to me.

you lost [won RJW] by buying Model 3, and you lost [won RJW] big time by selling your Prius with 10K in depreciation in 16K miles. Now, I see you moved the goal posts, and having a fun drive is the primary motivation, rather than lowest total transportation cost, but you forgot some items in your calculations( like you always do) Where is the difference in insurance cost on the Model 3 over the Prius? Insurance is indeed an operational cost, no? Oil changes are around $29.99 where I live, and on a Prius I bet they are less as there is not much oil in there. While you are making spreadsheets, perhaps you could chart the complete transportation cost, and show me how much you are saving by using your Model 3... Well at least you are having fun driving it.... You really should have done better analysis before buying the Prime, as that baby was a real loser for you when you consider the lost capital.

We have different approaches to accounting for capital and operational expense. You don't understand mine and yours is trivial . . . and not mine.

I most likely will be a former Lexus owner sometime soon (we only have 4 garage spaces), I bought that SUV in 2004, and it has served me well, but only has 90K miles as it has never been my primary vehicle. I think I will give it to my brother and his family, at 90K miles it is less than half way used up. For now I have to park my pickup outside, which is fine in the summer, but when frosty window season comes back changes will have to be made.

Sounds reasonable.

Bob Wilson

 

[David Green]

Sounds like it is meeting your expectations.

It is "operational cost" I'm saving. I know it is a foreign concept to some but not to me.

We have different approaches to accounting for capital and operational expense. You don't understand mine and yours is trivial . . . and not mine.

Sounds reasonable.

Bob Wilson

I guess we do have a different approach, but isn't it really "total expense" that matters most when you are trying to conserve retirement funds?

Anyway, back to the topic of this thread that you started. Sounds like Skabooska is now filing suit against Tesla, and has served Tesla notice to preserve records of the incidents. I guess the table has turned...

 

[bwilson4web]

Perhaps you might identify a source for the new Randeep Hothi suit?

In particular I like to use the various legal search sites to get a copy of the complaint. Of course, we can wait a few days and I'll be able to get it from 'the usual suspects.'

Bob Wilson

 

[David Green]

Perhaps you might identify a source for the new Randeep Hothi suit?

In particular I like to use the various legal search sites to get a copy of the complaint. Of course, we can wait a few days and I'll be able to get it from 'the usual suspects.'

Bob Wilson

So far there has just been an order to Tesla to "preserve the evidence" "a lawsuit is coming", once the lawsuit is filed, we will all read about it. I wonder if Tesla will just settle and pay off Skabooska, or if they will go through the discovery process, which could be exactly what Skabooska wants, to dig into who at Tesla sought the injunction against him. Was the CEO personally involved? This would bring light to internal operations at Tesla, Skabooska is very clever, and I would guess he may not be concerned with winning or losing a suit, but rather expose the internal working at Tesla through discovery.

Hey speaking of lawsuits, it seems the rented Model 3 in San Fransisco that killed one and critically injured another is suspected of being on A/P at the time of the crash (new video of the accident clearly shows the car driving perfectly straight made no attempt to stop at a red light). The driver is already jailed, and Tesla A/P looks to have killed again (Tesla Robotaxis are coming at the end of the year... ???? uh huh... ). Poor 22 year old female driver was probably not trained properly on the abilities and limits of A/P and now ruined her life, involuntary manslaughter is a serious charge (I think if the car was shown to be on A/P and the owner did not have the driver sign a release to use it, he might be an accomplice in the crime?). Next time rent a Toyota Corolla is the lesson here. 0-60 times and (tesla fast cars), and wanna be driving automation do not matter much when you are rotting in prison.

 

[bwilson4web]

So far there has just been an order to Tesla to "preserve the evidence" "a lawsuit is coming", once the lawsuit is filed, we will all read about it. . . .

Sounds like Randeep is taking it personal . . . Thanks on the details about it being a 'preserve the evidence.' I'm patient.

Hey speaking of lawsuits, it seems the rented Model 3 in San Fransisco that killed one and critically injured another is suspected of being on A/P at the time of the crash (new video of the accident clearly shows the car driving perfectly straight made no attempt to stop at a red light). The driver is already jailed, and Tesla A/P looks to have killed again (Tesla Robotaxis are coming at the end of the year... ???? uh huh... ). Poor 22 year old female driver was probably not trained properly on the abilities and limits of A/P and now ruined her life, involuntary manslaughter is a serious charge (I think if the car was shown to be on A/P and the owner did not have the driver sign a release to use it, he might be an accomplice in the crime?). Next time rent a Toyota Corolla is the lesson here. 0-60 times and (tesla fast cars), and wanna be driving automation do not matter much when you are rotting in prison.

We'll hear more in the future but my initial impression was 'driving while distracted.' Ordinarily, AP keeps the maximum speed to the posted speed limit +5 mph. Initial (and often inaccurate) reports claim she was at least 15 mph over the speed limit. Now I can override the speed with the accelerator which in her case would be worse. The car is well instrumented.

Bob Wilson

 

[David Green]

Sounds like Randeep is taking it personal . . . Thanks on the details about it being a 'preserve the evidence.' I'm patient.

We'll hear more in the future but my initial impression was 'driving while distracted.' Ordinarily, AP keeps the maximum speed to the posted speed limit +5 mph. Initial (and often inaccurate) reports claim she was at least 15 mph over the speed limit. Now I can override the speed with the accelerator which in her case would be worse. The car is well instrumented.

Bob Wilson

I would take it very personal if Tesla were to slander me, and make up lies. One thing is clear, Tesla said Skabooska ran over one of their employees on their property, injuring the employee, and the police / DA office after reviewing the evidence including video did not bring charges against Skabooska. Does that tell you anything? Tesla's accusation is that a clear crime was committed, but the police and DA did not see it that way. I think Tesla and some of their employees have wild imagination (like kids), and have tried to entrap Skabooska, but failed, twice now. Let's face it, Skabooska is a very smart man, and knows the razors edge of the law, he knows what he can and cannot do. I get the feeling by filing a lawsuit Skabooska's goal is more about embarrassing Elon Musk through discovery, then it is about getting any money, he does not seem like a money grubbing guy.

We will have to wait for the evidence on the crash in San Fransisco.

 

[Shadrach777]

... and Tesla A/P looks to have killed again (Tesla Robotaxis are coming at the end of the year... ???? uh huh... ). Poor 22 year old female driver was probably not trained properly on the abilities and limits of A/P and now ruined her life, involuntary manslaughter is a serious charge ...

Why even parrot this junk when all the facts haven't been released yet? Updated statements ascertain the vehicle was not in autopilot and traveling in excess by 15-20 mph of the posted speed limit. Also, as Bob stated, autopilot only works +5 mph on local streets and full self-driving (at level 5 autonomy, currently only released to level 2 autonomy on the highways/freeways/interstates) is what we are all looking forward to, not the autopilot. In this tragedy there was no reason for the original report to ever bring up the fact that a Tesla was the vehicle involved in the accident. In fact a cursory search didn't even mention what the other vehicle that hit the Tesla was.

 

[bwilson4web]

. . In fact a cursory search didn't even mention what the other vehicle that hit the Tesla was.

It was a Mini Cooper that was on the far side of a larger, red car. It was impossible for the Mini Cooper driver to see the Tesla until just before the impact. Running the red light was the root cause followed by excessive speed that contributed to the severity.

IMHO, this is a classic distracted driving accident that might have been avoided if AutoPilot had been in use. It would have mitigated the excess speed. Furthermore, I've seen at least one YouTube claiming the most recent AutoPilot 2019.24.4 that came out after the accident sometimes recognizes and stops for a red traffic light. I have not test this, yet.

Bob Wilson