The announced pricing on the 60kWh models is blowing my mind. They're on par with what local dealerships have been charging for months on the 40kWh models. Becoming clearer that I'll be going for the E+ in the fall, the price is too good after tax credit compared to M3 and Bolt (the only other EVs available around here).
2019 Leaf "e-Plus" (60kWh)
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While I'm very pleased with my 2018 40kwh Leaf S, I must say that I'm already drooling over the possibilities that will be there 3-1/2 years from now when I've taken the depreciation on it through my business. I think Nissan just had the rug pulled out from under them with the lower priced M3 finally hitting the market. I do hope Nissan can compete and make a profit as they were the first traditional ICE car maker to go whole hog into EVs. Go Tesla! Go Nissan!
Kenneth Bokor
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Paul, IMO Nissan is quite fine for the market segment they have carved out and continue to go after. Their valued-prop is still pretty strong on the e-Plus, even with the Base Model 3 now out. There are pros and cons to each and I really don't think Tesla will take a bite out of Nissan, where Nissan is going after ICEV marketshare where the real growth is.
Makes no sense to fight over a 2% market share (the global EV sales value for 2018) and ignore the other 98%. Nissan should have no care in the world for Tesla having a BEV market share leadership role and just focus on growing their share by converting ICEV owners into BEV owners. With both 40kWh and 64kWh versions , I think they can do just that.
Still waiting for confirmed UK pricing... The $40,050 price seems to be a mistake as it pushes the car into the taxable bracket. For the sake of £51 that is crazy.
Disappointed that they didn't update the dashboard. The old-fashioned analogue speedo was a massive downgrade from the original Leaf 24/30 models. Overall though the Leaf is a nice car and it's one of the quietest EVs, much better than the Model 3 for example. Can't quite match the range of the Kona/Niro but it's decent enough.
Disappointed that they didn't update the dashboard. The old-fashioned analogue speedo was a massive downgrade from the original Leaf 24/30 models. Overall though the Leaf is a nice car and it's one of the quietest EVs, much better than the Model 3 for example. Can't quite match the range of the Kona/Niro but it's decent enough.
Kenneth Bokor
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Hi yes hope they can do something on that pricing. As far as the dash, it does offer a digital speed on the 7-inch side of it. I'm old school and never had a car with a digital dash so analogue is fine for me and most.
When I test drove the Leaf, this was something I hadn't anticipated. Without the engine's noise or vibration filtering into the cabin, I found myself going 80 on the highway (limit 65) one second, then overcorrecting to 55 the next.
People don't appreciate just how good the original Leaf was. Nissan really thought about what the needs of EV drivers are and found some clever ways to meet them.
The odd shaped headlights, for example, are to deflect wind away from the wing mirrors because it was found to be too noisy once the engine noise was removed. They also set the standard for energy management and display for the driver. Before that every car just had a simple battery gauge and vague, inaccurate range display. The guess-o-meter might not have been perfect but it was a huge step up over what went before.
Having the charge port at the front was another great idea, something many other manufacturers have not cottoned on to yet.
I agree with the others that the analog speedometer is better. I'm glad they put a Max of 120 MPH compared to other cars that have 160 MPH for no reason. The numbers are bigger and easier to read.
Kenneth is right, if you prefer the digital, you can set it on the left display.
The little display on the left is too small and badly positioned, and means you can't see other data there.
The analogue speedo is imprecise and far less noticeable, a major downgrade.
Imprecise? Must be user error then.
It has been working fine for 100 years.
Kenneth Bokor
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Well early reports seem to indicate that the Leaf Plus is getting great range and not suffering from any throttling or temperature issues. There are not a lot of road tests or owner feedback yet, however what has initially been reported is very positive.
Seems the new pack design and a possibly chemistry change, along with the updated BMS, are providing great range and stability. Even charging has been reported to be sustained at 70kW and then starts to taper at 80% down to 44kW (for chargers that support 100kW or higher charging speeds)!
I'll keep watching this and I hope to get my hands on a Leaf Plus in early June to do some testing too. But so far, so good. I think Nissan has finally found the right package for those that want more range.
Seems the new pack design and a possibly chemistry change, along with the updated BMS, are providing great range and stability. Even charging has been reported to be sustained at 70kW and then starts to taper at 80% down to 44kW (for chargers that support 100kW or higher charging speeds)!
I'll keep watching this and I hope to get my hands on a Leaf Plus in early June to do some testing too. But so far, so good. I think Nissan has finally found the right package for those that want more range.
Kenneth Bokor
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More great reports coming in for the e-Plus being a fantastic car! Seems Nissan has handled any charging and temp issues with the e-Plus without the need of any active thermal management - something I've been saying is not necessarily needed for all BEVs. Especially if you want to keep them price competitive.
So solid DCFCing with sustained 70kw to 80-90% reported, no impact in battery temps even with multiple fast chargers. This new pack with is slightly different build and tweaked chemistry and BMS is a solid offering.
So solid DCFCing with sustained 70kw to 80-90% reported, no impact in battery temps even with multiple fast chargers. This new pack with is slightly different build and tweaked chemistry and BMS is a solid offering.
Domenick
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The report to which I believe he refers is this one -- Road Tripping In A Nissan LEAF e-Plus.
Thanks, that was interesting but very light on detail. For example it says that the temperature gauge stayed "in the middle", but doesn't state the actual temperature. And they charged in the freezing cold, and only for 30 minutes, and don't say how fast it was so it might have been ~40kW.
I think we will have to wait to see if it is really fixed.
Kenneth Bokor
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Thanks Dominic, yes that report plus another one recently from TFL guys I believe and I've heard of a few more.
I will be getting a Leaf Plus for a week to review in mid-June and plan on taking over a weekend to a long trip to experience heat and multiple fast charges. I have LSP so will be able to document the numbers.
I will be getting a Leaf Plus for a week to review in mid-June and plan on taking over a weekend to a long trip to experience heat and multiple fast charges. I have LSP so will be able to document the numbers.
Looking forward to it. Please try to test out ProPilot, as lots of review have missed it on the 40 and on other cars like the Niro and Kona.
Are there actually any 100kW CHAdeMO pumps anywhere? I guess you will be limited to testing at 42kWh or so.
Kenneth Bokor
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Well, you will be happy to see I did a pretty good review of ProPilot last fall, check it out on my YouTube Channel:
Currently, I'm not aware of any in 100kW CHAdeMO in Canada, however Electrify Canada is currently building out about 20+ for this year with the first to open soon. Maybe I can find one to see if I can get the sustained 70kW claimed speeds. For a 50kW station, yes should be able to sustain 45kW for the e-Plus!
Let me know if you like my Pro-Pilot Video and please subscribe to my channel!
Domenick
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Wait. There's an Electrify Canada? How did I not know that? (Thanks, Kenneth)
Hope you put together a video of your road-tripping/charging experience.