For those who hate Elon Musk

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Senator Warren wrote this 10 page letter: https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/m...tesla_board_re_musk_conflicts_of_interest.pdf

I write to you with ongoing concern that Tesla’s Board of Directors appears to be failing to meet its fiduciary duties to Tesla’s shareholders . . .
  • Musk redirected scarce artificial intelligence (AI)-related resources from the publicly traded Tesla to one of his privately held companies, X Corp.
  • Musk announced the launch of his new startup xAI
  • harms to shareholders
  • Musk’s compensation plan was deeply flawed,
  • “Project 42”—a secret project to build a “dramatic glass-walled building”
  • Tesla shareholders recently voted to ratify Mr. Musk’s massive pay package
I agree with Walz,
“This country is great because we have a golden rule that makes things work. We mind our own damn business on those things."​

Bob Wilson
 
But you have to admire how one man can start up and manage so many complex companies, and some very successfully. Personally, I consider SpaceX to be his most important success as it has and will have worldwide benefits. As we know, we can no longer depend on NASA as evidenced by their recent fail with Boeing. And the other rocket companies are not exactly dependable either. SpaceX is the only reliable game in town now.

And we all know how SpaceX almost never happened, with everything depending on that final launch test, which did finally work. It was all or nothing at that point with Musk. And don't forget the early M3 production challenges where Musk would sleep on the factory floor to get things fixed to keep production going. You certainly can't fault his focus and effort to make things work.

Having said that he has made some questionable choices and decisions. In particular, the CyberTruck development, and prioritizing FSD/Robotaxis over developing a new cheaper car.
 
R P said:
Well, for those who hate Elon Musk, you probably won't like this.
https://x.com/i/status/1824429268132098484
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No problem with calling out poor 'journalism.' There was another incident where the 'journalists' abused his X=interview to ambush Musk. FOX frequently tries to do this at the White House press briefings. But this White House has to continue even when already answered questions are asked again ("When did you stop beating your wife?") Musk and anyone other private citizen can call an end to a combative interview.

I draw the line at threats to our Constitution and followers who threaten and practice violence:
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Bob Wilson
 
One of the issues here is the human tendency to label a person either all good or all bad especially in today's age of extreme polarization of views. Henry Ford revolutionized the production of automobiles with the introduction of the assembly line for production of the model T. He was also a great admirer of Hitler. Thomas Edison produced the first workable incandescent light bulb which went on to make the nights safer by reducing the number of fires from gas leaks, oil lamp and candle knock overs. He also experimented electrocuting puppies to show how AC was so much more "dangerous" than DC. Michael Jackson was a gifted performer, composer and dancer who changed popular music in a big way. He also liked sleepovers with young boys. In all of these cases do the flaws of the characters undermine the value of their accomplishments? I think not.

Musk is a great visionary and opportunist. Early on in the days of internet commerce he saw the need for a secure payment process and got involved with the start up of Paypal, got rich and got out. He didn't start Tesla motors but saw the potential in the product, bought his way in and eventually outsted the original founders. And I agree with RP that Spacex which he did start up may be his greatest accomplishment. Twitter may have been his biggest blunder. Purportedly all in the name of "free speech". Yeah, free for him. If he took his passion for free speech to China I don't think it would end well for Tesla there.

I think Musk's biggest flaw is his growing hubris and arrogance. Like the Icarus in Greek mythology he may fly so close to the sun that his wings melt off and he comes crashing down.
 
In "How Trump Rolled Elon," the Business Insider covered Elon's interview with Donald Trump on Musk's technically challenged X (too many layoffs?)

The article criticizes Elon for "beclowning" himself by abandoning everything he used to say about climate change and the fossil-fuel industry.

The article says, "he wanted to give Americans the opportunity to get to know Trump — as if Trump hadn't been in power or campaigning for a decade."
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"If you didn't know last weekend that the engineer who wants to send people to Mars also wants to get rid of the Department of Education, now you do."
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"'Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed, but now they're full cities again,' Musk said as he argued the merits of nuclear energy to Trump. "That's great," Trump said, sounding bored."
 
bwilson4web said:
I found a transcript and reduced it to just Musk quotes but can't post it here due to a 10,000 character limit. You should be able to read it and my color coded, editor markups here:

https://priuschat.com/threads/insights-on-elon-musk.250427/page-2#post-3474511

Bob Wilson
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Thanks for all that hard work, Bob. I mostly read just Musk's utterances that included your comments.

However, regarding Elon's final statement:
I think the only thing that’s going to force some of these states to change is if they risk bankruptcy and they’re not getting bailed out by the federal government.

MoneyGeek reports: Seven of the 10 states most dependent on the federal government were Republican-voting
 
R P said:
Elon Musk has evolved. And he is not afraid of telling people what he thinks now, even though he may be risking his own business and money. You can hate him, but have to respect his courage and integrity.
https://x.com/i/status/1827656180010819947
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I don't respect his courage or integrity.

He says he for free speech, and then he sues folks to silence them. No integrity there!

What courage? Even if he lost 99% of his net worth, he would still have over 2.4 billion dollars.
 
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marshall said:
I don't respect his courage or integrity.

He says he for free speech, and then he sues folks to silence them. No integrity there!
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Suing for being wronged, like defamation, is no indication of a lack of integrity. But standing up to the govt against forced censorship is and does indeed take a lot of courage. He has become a big target now, and they will put him in jail if they can. But he is sticking to his convictions despite what they might do to him.

I have not been a fan of Elon Musk or Tesla in the past, but have to admit that I now have more respect for him as a man.
 
marshall said:
Bull ****! These are slap lawsuits.
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I agree. Regardless of what they are called, they all seek a "cold cash" solution to someone else's free speech.

marshall said:
He's a frigging coward!
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He starts and runs risky business like you and I changed our clothes. Less 'coward' as much as driven by 'lessons learned.'

Elon is learning that "free accurate speech" can be profitable. Inaccurate speech of lies, conspiracies, and racism perform like DJT stock.

Bob Wilson
 
marshall said:
Bull ****! These are slap lawsuits.

He's a frigging coward!
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Feel free to disagree and give your opinion. It's unfortunate though, that it seems that all of the hate for Elon Musk has to do with his decisions to support free speech which goes against what the current govt has been doing. Those on the left don't like that opinions and views other than their own are no longer censored on X.

And now Mark Zuckerberg also admits that allowing the govt to tell him what to censor was a mistake. And he will no longer be supporting the Dems with donations (or any other political party) like he has in the past.
https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1828213094486614114
https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1828213094486614114/photo/1
https://x.com/JudiciaryGOP/status/1828201780544504064/photo/2
 
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