Musk on sabotage

[Pushmi-Pullyu]

One early report claimed Tripp had adulterated the factory software implying contributing to the manufacturing woes. That is not in the current court pleading.

Thank you for pointing that out. I get so tired of people rushing to judgement on a case based on early reports, before all the facts are in.

I was startled to hear a news reporter or commentator say, on a news show recently, that <i>most</i> of the initial reports coming in about a breaking news story turned out to be wrong. That doesn't surprise me, based on my personal knowledge of stories reported by the media, but it was startling to hear a "newsie" actually admit that in public!

Sadly, in this "information age" and the era of the 24-hour news cycle, we've lost sight of the ideal of "Innocent until proven guilty." Tripp is accused of a lot of things, none of which have been proven in court, and (so far as I know) none of which have yet been supported by evidence confirmed by third parties or by outside forensic analysis.

It's entirely possible that Tripp is guilty of most or all of what he is accused by Tesla. But the wise man will exercise some healthy skepticism, skepticism in the scientific sense, and wait until the actual evidence is in, before passing judgement.

Furthermore, the properly skeptical person will also note that none of the accusations from FUDsters over the years of Tesla faking its production numbers has been supported by the slightest shred of real evidence, and most of those claims have been shown to be utterly and completely contrary to the actual facts. Facts rather hard to fake, like VIN numbers!

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[Pushmi-Pullyu]

Tripp shared some production data, hardly a treasonous national secret... If he did not get paid, his whistleblower claim will stick, and Tesla is going to be giving lots of discovery....

WOW! So anybody making up and spreading malicious gossip about someone they're jealous of, qualifies as a "whistleblower" because they didn't get paid for spreading gossip? And every traitor passing intelligence to a foreign country qualifies as a "whistleblower" if they didn't get paid by the enemy?

That is what you are arguing, David, whether you're willing to admit it to yourself or not.

Again, your intense jealousy of Elon Musk has your perception of reality so distorted that you can't see straight. Apparently you are very firmly in denial of that, although it's painfully obvious to those reading your comments!

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[bwilson4web]

Exactly,

Tripp has no money of assets so why sue him? . . .

Elon estimates that 1 in 1000 employees are like Tripp meaning there are ~40 more out there. Letting Tripp off is just rolling over for the next one like him.​

As for sabotaging the production system, that was just Elon dreaming, I am sure Tripp's lawyers will fill a defamation countersuit. The guy took production data and leaked it to the media, not really a big deal, it happens every day in business. . . .

The court case will go much faster if Tripp admits he did it. As for defamation, that is a heavy lift since Elon said at the time they were still inspecting what Tripp did.
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Elon attacked by short sellers? how so? . . .

There was an attempt to reduce Elon's status in the company with board changes. In effect, take the company away from him. It didn't work but the effort was documented in reports of the stockholder's meeting.​

Look at google earth of the Fremont factory, and look over the South and West sides of the factory, it is just mess after mess, after mess... . . .

Can you identify coordinates of the January 7, 2018 "mess after mess, after mess"? The reason is we can then zoom in to higher resolutions and try to identify the "mess."​

Did Tripp work at Fremont?
Do you have a more recent photo? Perhaps a drone?​

Thanks,
Bob Wilson

 

[Pushmi-Pullyu]

Elon attacked by short sellers? how so? . . .

There was an attempt to reduce Elon's status in the company with board changes. In effect, take the company away from him. It didn't work but the effort was documented in reports of the stockholder's meeting.​

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Not at all to disagree with your overall points, Bob, but I don't think it was Tesla short-sellers who introduced the badly failed measure to replace Elon as CEO. There are good arguments in favor of moving Elon to a subordinate position; arguments I've made myself. Musk's compulsion towards micro-management is a worse and worse fit to Tesla leadership as the company continues to rapidly expand. I'm not in a position to say if Tesla would actually be better off with someone else in the CEO position, but if that isn't the case already, it certainly will be before long.

Just my opinion, of course. And since I own no Tesla stock, I don't get a vote.

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[bwilson4web]

Neither of us own Tesla stock nor work for him. He doesn't make a plug-in hybrid so nothing appeals to me. However, there are rumors of a roadster with rockets and I'll reconsider once the specs are released:

Bob Wilson

 

[Pushmi-Pullyu]

I love it! Where did you find that picture?

(Altho I'm not entirely convinced the artist intended a 2020 Tesla Roadster. That looks rather like a tailpipe in back! Needs a bit of PhotoShopping...)

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[David Green]

Tripp has no money of assets so why sue him? . . .

Elon estimates that 1 in 1000 employees are like Tripp meaning there are ~40 more out there. Letting Tripp off is just rolling over for the next one like him.​

As for sabotaging the production system, that was just Elon dreaming, I am sure Tripp's lawyers will fill a defamation countersuit. The guy took production data and leaked it to the media, not really a big deal, it happens every day in business. . . .

The court case will go much faster if Tripp admits he did it. As for defamation, that is a heavy lift since Elon said at the time they were still inspecting what Tripp did.
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Elon attacked by short sellers? how so? . . .

There was an attempt to reduce Elon's status in the company with board changes. In effect, take the company away from him. It didn't work but the effort was documented in reports of the stockholder's meeting.​

Look at google earth of the Fremont factory, and look over the South and West sides of the factory, it is just mess after mess, after mess... . . .

Can you identify coordinates of the January 7, 2018 "mess after mess, after mess"? The reason is we can then zoom in to higher resolutions and try to identify the "mess."​

Did Tripp work at Fremont?
Do you have a more recent photo? Perhaps a drone?​

Thanks,
Bob Wilson

Usually its best to weed out a "bad apple" internally, and not in front of the national media.

Tesla will get countersued, and most likely lose... Nobody likes it when a bit corporation bullies a little guy.

Garbage areas Of course you need to zoom in WAY closer, 15-16-17 E,F, H, I, J Are you not a fan of "G" I-J 10 thru 16, just zoom in and scroll around, Housekeeping is not Tesla's thing, Then for reference go look at Toyota, GM, Magna or others factories, that look nothing like this..

I use https://earthexplorer.usgs.gov for up to date satellite imagery, even includes the latest tent around I-12 and many other building that have been added in the last year, there are now over 20 Tents... some bigger, some smaller. Lots of capital being wasted. Also not the junkyard in the latest imagery around J-14, at least 50 cars thrown away. Might be some truth to what Tripp was saying.. Complete chaos is obvious.

 

[Pushmi-Pullyu]

Tesla will get countersued, and most likely lose...

If no counter-suit appears, will you admit you were wrong? Rather doubtful, since you have yet to admit any of your Tesla bashing FUD is wrong.

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[Pushmi-Pullyu]

...for reference go look at Toyota, GM, Magna or others factories, that look nothing like this.

Yeah, none of those companies is expanding production by between 33%-60% every year, year after year.

Tesla’s global automobile sales totals:
2012: 2650
2013: 22,300
2014: 31,655 (+41.95%)
2015: 50,580 (+59.8%)
2016: 76,230 (+50.7%)
2017: 101,312 (+32.9%)

Asserting that Tesla should run their business the same way as a company with more or less static sales is... well, it's every bit as absurd and contrary to reality as the rest of your Tesla bashing FUD.

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[David Green]

If no counter-suit appears, will you admit you were wrong? Rather doubtful, since you have yet to admit any of your Tesla bashing FUD is wrong.

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Because, unlike you I am almost always right... But yes, I will gladly admit if I am wrong about anything I post, as I have done many times. Usually pretty close on the numbers though... just saying!

 

[Pushmi-Pullyu]

Because, unlike you I am almost always right...

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!


Dude, I spat out what I was drinking when I read that!

Nothing, and I do mean nothing, that you have posted to InsideEVs has exposed your extreme Elon/Tesla hater bias, and your disassociation from reality on the topic of Tesla Inc., than your comments on this topic. The fact that you are blind to just how much you're showing your own bias here is yet another symptom of your unacknowledged, yet very obvious, extreme jealousy of Elon Musk.

As you yourself commented, in a post to an InsideEVs article on this very subject:

Steven, there is a wide difference in cheering for a companies failure and chuckling at their ineptness and bad decision making.
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A wide difference indeed! Your anti-Tesla FUD posts utterly fail to distinguish between criticizing Tesla when they deserve it, and cheering for the failure of Tesla and Elon Musk. For example, you are so eager to see the claims of this saboteur, this so-called "whistleblower" -- the term you are using, contrary to the actual evidence -- you're so eager to see his wild, self-serving claims proven to be true that you're nearly wetting yourself!

Nix put it very well in his comment on the InsideEVs news site:

It is beginning to sound like every anti-Tesla troll is going to blindly buy into the lies, excuses, and feeble attempts at evading the repercussions of his actions, of someone who got caught red handed and admitted he did it when Tesla showed him the evidence. It is beginning to sound like “two sides to the story” is the new talking point for trolls.
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[David Green]

Yeah, none of those companies is expanding production by between 33%-60% every year, year after year.

Tesla’s global automobile sales totals:
2012: 2650
2013: 22,300
2014: 31,655 (+41.95%)
2015: 50,580 (+59.8%)
2016: 76,230 (+50.7%)
2017: 101,312 (+32.9%)

Asserting that Tesla should run their business the same way as a company with more or less static sales is... well, it's every bit as absurd and contrary to reality as the rest of your Tesla bashing FUD.

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2016 to 2017, 25000 in growth is a big deal.. GM burps 25K cars in a year. Looking at it in percentage of growth when you are in such small number is irrelevant.. Lets get to 500K as Elon guided for 2018, then we can talk about some growth... Looks like his guidance is going to be over a 50% miss..

 

[bwilson4web]

Garbage areas Of course you need to zoom in WAY closer, 15-16-17 E,F, H, I, J Are you not a fan of "G" I-J 10 thru 16, just zoom in and scroll around, Housekeeping is not Tesla's thing, . . .

• orange area - appears to be some junk along the side of the paved area
• yellow area - appears to be a testing to destruct area due to test cells and blackened areas
• unmarked - areas of open top, trash containers

Otherwise, I didn't see anything to suggests a lot of junk for a site that is still being built out. Given the date, January 7, 2018, it doesn't look that unexpected. But it is not uncommon for folks to see things differently.

More recent: https://jalopnik.com/heres-the-wild-email-exchange-between-teslas-alleged-sa-1827017800

I'm reminded of two people who have a personality conflict having a 'flame war' while Jalopnik is trying to egg both on (aka. "professional wrestling.") Let's see what happens in court.

Bob Wilson

 

[David Green]

• orange area - appears to be some junk along the side of the paved area
• yellow area - appears to be a testing to destruct area due to test cells and blackened areas
• unmarked - areas of open top, trash containers

Otherwise, I didn't see anything to suggests a lot of junk for a site that is still being built out. Given the date, January 7, 2018, it doesn't look that unexpected. But it is not uncommon for folks to see things differently.

More recent: https://jalopnik.com/heres-the-wild-email-exchange-between-teslas-alleged-sa-1827017800

I'm reminded of two people who have a personality conflict having a 'flame war' while Jalopnik is trying to egg both on (aka. "professional wrestling.") Let's see what happens in court.

Bob Wilson

From your vertical line number 4 to the left is not even Tesla property anymore, they were just leasing that land, also your picture is at least 2 years old, as you notice the factory is not even the current shape, please update your photo to semi current, where you at least have the factory shape. This site has more up to date info.

https://earthexplorer.usgs.gov

You will notice when you look at the updated satellite photo what Elon meant when he said the Fremont factory is stuffed, they re even out of parking lot for employees, contractors, and new cars. When they get to a rate of 700 per day, logistics are going to be tough as there is just no place to park new cars to batch them. I am curious why did Tesla tear out the railroad loading area? They only ship cars by truck? seems slow and expensive for the east coast... or do they haul them to a train depot somewhere else? You will also notice in the new satellite photo, more then 20 tents on the property, all over the place, GA3 and GA4 are both in tents, one run N-S and the other E-W The garbage and junk situation is far worse then before, and I counted at least 125 damaged cars in 2 different areas on the site.

 

[bwilson4web]

From your vertical line number 4 to the left is not even Tesla property anymore, they were just leasing that land, also your picture is at least 2 years old, as you notice the factory is not even the current shape, please update your photo to semi current, where you at least have the factory shape. This site has more up to date info.

It is from Google Earth Pro and the date is January 7, 2018. There may be other images but I was following your earlier suggestion to use Google Earth.

https://earthexplorer.usgs.gov

You will notice when you look at the updated satellite photo what Elon meant when he said the Fremont factory is stuffed, they re even out of parking lot for employees, contractors, and new cars. When they get to a rate of 700 per day, logistics are going to be tough as there is just no place to park new cars to batch them. I am curious why did Tesla tear out the railroad loading area? They only ship cars by truck? seems slow and expensive for the east coast... or do they haul them to a train depot somewhere else? You will also notice in the new satellite photo, more then 20 tents on the property, all over the place, GA3 and GA4 are both in tents, one run N-S and the other E-W The garbage and junk situation is far worse then before, and I counted at least 125 damaged cars in 2 different areas on the site.

Feel free to post images of your choices highlighting the problems. Just I'm not terribly interested in 'chasing requirements.' I had enough of that when I was working. Your turn to combine images and text.

Bob Wilson

 

[David Green]

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!


Dude, I spat out what I was drinking when I read that!

Nothing, and I do mean nothing, that you have posted to InsideEVs has exposed your extreme Elon/Tesla hater bias, and your disassociation from reality on the topic of Tesla Inc., than your comments on this topic. The fact that you are blind to just how much you're showing your own bias here is yet another symptom of your unacknowledged, yet very obvious, extreme jealousy of Elon Musk.

As you yourself commented, in a post to an InsideEVs article on this very subject:

Steven, there is a wide difference in cheering for a companies failure and chuckling at their ineptness and bad decision making.
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A wide difference indeed! Your anti-Tesla FUD posts utterly fail to distinguish between criticizing Tesla when they deserve it, and cheering for the failure of Tesla and Elon Musk. For example, you are so eager to see the claims of this saboteur, this so-called "whistleblower" -- the term you are using, contrary to the actual evidence -- you're so eager to see his wild, self-serving claims proven to be true that you're nearly wetting yourself!

Nix put it very well in his comment on the InsideEVs news site:

It is beginning to sound like every anti-Tesla troll is going to blindly buy into the lies, excuses, and feeble attempts at evading the repercussions of his actions, of someone who got caught red handed and admitted he did it when Tesla showed him the evidence. It is beginning to sound like “two sides to the story” is the new talking point for trolls.
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haha! you say the same tired lines over and over... Don't you get bored? I think Elon is an idiot, but I do not hate him... I think Tesla builds poorly built cars, but I do not hate them either. I just get a daily laugh at the drama Tesla creates... Unlike you I try to dig deeper, and see what is really going on... Why is there over 125 defective model 3's stashed behind the factory in 2 different places. why is there parts and industrial junk all over heck behind the factory, and why is there over 20 tents on site now? Where do they park the 700 cars a day assuming they hit that level of production, these are all things I want to figure out. Since Tesla lost the lease on 75% of their new car parking lot, things are a bit cramped... Why are the lines GA3 and GA4 located in 2 different tents outside? Its going to be forklift Frogger in the parking lot...

 

[David Green]

It is from Google Earth Pro and the date is January 7, 2018. There may be other images but I was following your earlier suggestion to use Google Earth.

Feel free to post images of your choices highlighting the problems. Just I'm not terribly interested in 'chasing requirements.' I had enough of that when I was working. Your turn to combine images and text.

Bob Wilson

I do not care enough to spend the time putting gridwork on the photos, but that was nice work by the way, here are a few pictures, count the junk cars...

 

[David Green]

It is from Google Earth Pro and the date is January 7, 2018. There may be other images but I was following your earlier suggestion to use Google Earth.

Feel free to post images of your choices highlighting the problems. Just I'm not terribly interested in 'chasing requirements.' I had enough of that when I was working. Your turn to combine images and text.

Bob Wilson

Here are some more , sorry did not want them to post twice... No wonder there is no room to park cars, too much junk... I wonder if Elon ever goes outside the rear of the factory... I am guessing it he ever did, he would have a heart attack when he saw this mess...

 

[bwilson4web]

Thanks!

I'll check again in the morning when you've had a chance to edit:

• #1, #3, #4 - same photo
• #2, #5 - a different photo

Date of images?

Bob Wilson

 

[David Green]

Thanks!

I'll check again in the morning when you've had a chance to edit:

• #1, #3, #4 - same photo
• #2, #5 - a different photo

Date of images?

Bob Wilson

They must be pretty recent, because they show tent city out there. I am not sure how you find the date they were shot.. I want to see you back that semi to the loading dock with all that junk.... North is worse then South.