Canadian owners unite for pre-conditioning!

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I've owned two EVs in my life, both Hyundai. I'm going back and forth with my dealer rep and advised him, my specific vehicle was one of the first ones manufactured for North America, well before the June 2022 date that Hyundai started shipping these "enabled" models here. It'll be my last one too if this isn't done.

All Canadian models (except the base model) have battery heaters. In 6 months, I re-qualify for our Federal rebate program and I will start looking for a different manufacturer's EV to purchase.
I can understand why you're unhappy, but wouldn't it make sense to buy a new I5 now that it has the only feature you're missing? Your disgust with the company doesn't change the fact that the 2022 I5 is a better EV than many pricier competitors. Is there an alternative EV in the I5's price category you would consider for a replacement?

With the hot market for EVs these days, you'll probably be able to sell your current I5 for more than you paid for it.
 
If you are looking for a car manufacturer (or their dealers) that will never piss you off, you will be switching cars every couple years...
 
If you are looking for a car manufacturer (or their dealers) that will never piss you off, you will be switching cars every couple years...
I know there is no perfect car but when a manufacturer advertises 10-80% charging in less than 20 minutes, and I paid for that, that manufacturer needs to provide it. A direct communication from Hyundai Canada states "Hyundai Auto Canada is aware of the situation and is actively working with Hyundai Motor Group to provide a resolution for Canadian Customers at the earliest convenience. We will communicate any updates to all affected customers once a solution is available." My issue with this comment is, they already know what the solution is, the same one implemented in Europe.
 
I've owned two EVs in my life, both Hyundai. I'm going back and forth with my dealer rep and advised him, my specific vehicle was one of the first ones manufactured for North America, well before the June 2022 date that Hyundai started shipping these "enabled" models here. It'll be my last one too if this isn't done.

All Canadian models (except the base model) have battery heaters. In 6 months, I re-qualify for our Federal rebate program and I will start looking for a different manufacturer's EV to purchase.

To address this point "It never occured to me that MINI would be required bring my MINI up to 2022 technology." This is not a valid point in our scenario. The 2022 models have pre-conditioning; my, top of the line, 2022 model does not. Hyundai, have a choice and to date are not making the right one for many of us. Hey if HHyundai have a different method to fast charge at the same rates in cooler weather as warmer weather, I'm listening.
 
To address this point "It never occured to me that MINI would be required bring my MINI up to 2022 technology." This is not a valid point in our scenario. The 2022 models have pre-conditioning; my, top of the line, 2022 model does not. Hyundai, have a choice and to date are not making the right one for many of us. Hey if HHyundai have a different method to fast charge at the same rates in cooler weather as warmer weather, I'm listening.
A valid point. I hope Hyundai follows Kia's example and offers you relief from slow cold-weather charging.
 
I'm not the original author of this but wanted to help spread it. It appears that as of now Norway, Finland, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland, Germany and possibly the UK have pre-conditioning updates available for 2022 models, many of them free. Hyundai Canada is saying we won't get it because of 'technical limitations' when we have the same cars as those countries and we all have battery heaters included. In the US the battery heater is only in the AWD which makes it the only country where it would make any sense whatsoever to not issue the update and I think they should still do it there based on VIN or as a paid request etc.

Wanted to put a call out for all Canadian owners of the 2022 Ioniq that care about the lack of the battery pre-conditioning update coming to Canada to start making noise by emailing Hyundai and their dealerships or even EV news/youtube places in the attempt to highlight to Hyundai how much of an issue this is.

In an attempt to explain why this is a problem I created the below FAQ. If you read this and feel inclined I ask that you get involved with escalating the complaints so they hopefully we will eventually be heard.

I believe all of the below is generally correct, at least in a general basis - please don't spend energy pointing out small typo's or incorrection's when that energy can go towards complaining to Hyundai instead View attachment 18371

What is battery pre-conditioning?

Battery pre-conditioning is a feature that almost all modern EV's have to warm the battery so that its ready to fast-charge. Without warming, in colder months (think below 20 degrees celsius) the car will take much longer to charge - typically at least twice to three times longer.

Typically conditioning is enabled through the Nav system, such that when you navigate to a EV fast charger the car will automatically start warming the battery before you get there so thats its prepped and ready to charge as fast as possible

Why do I care?

Without it the time to fast charge in winter will take 2-3 times as long, and cost 2-3 times as much! (in Canada we get charged per minute not per kwh).

We dont have many fast chargers in Canada, the slower we charge the longer the queues and the worse it is for everyone. The 18 minute 10-90% charging times of our cars was a highly publicized and is a highly sort after feature. Being not able to use it for 4-5 months (or more!) of the year frankly sucks

Don't we already have this?

You have the hardware but not the software. All Canadian car's come with a battery heater but no mechanism to turn it on in advance of getting to a charger. It will turn on when you start to fast charge but it's basically too late by then to make any difference in charging times.

You also have something called "winter mode" but this has been proven to do basically nothing to help DC fast charging

Sure, but why would Hyundai develop this for us?

Actually they already have. The hard work is done, the feature is already developed. 2023 models are getting it as default and in Europe (Norway etc) the software update is already being offered to upgrade 2022 cars.

So why is Hyundai Canada not rolling it out then?

Good question, in the US this seems to be a cost decision as it may take an hour to update the software and dealers apparently do not want to support their customers! The response from Hyundai Canada that i received is:

"due to technical limitations, the 2022 IONIQ 5 models will not be able to receive the update to enable battery preconditioning"

With zero details on what the technical limitation is - I have asked and will update this if I ever hear back but it seems pretty clear that their are no hardware limitations to allow this feature to be rolled out given their is no difference between European cars and Canadian ones. Therefore it must be similar to the US in that dealers or Hyundai themselves simply are unwilling to do so.

How can I help?

Make a fuss! start complaining, sending emails etc. Even if you all spend 15-20 minutes of your time crafting a email it will be our best shot of showing Hyundai that this is unfair to its customer base.

Hyundai launched the Ioniq 5 as one of the first cars behind their "Ioniq" EV brand - they need to support their customers and show that they are willing to add features of importance to its EV's across all countries they sell them in.

Suggestions of places to complain to

  1. Hyundai Canada directly - here Help Centre | Hyundai Canada
  2. Your local dealership and/or dealership contact, where you paid for the car.
  3. Relevant EV news outlets.
  4. Anything else you can think of!
I'm not the original author of this but wanted to help spread it. It appears that as of now Norway, Finland, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland, Germany and possibly the UK have pre-conditioning updates available for 2022 models, many of them free. Hyundai Canada is saying we won't get it because of 'technical limitations' when we have the same cars as those countries and we all have battery heaters included. In the US the battery heater is only in the AWD which makes it the only country where it would make any sense whatsoever to not issue the update and I think they should still do it there based on VIN or as a paid request etc.

Wanted to put a call out for all Canadian owners of the 2022 Ioniq that care about the lack of the battery pre-conditioning update coming to Canada to start making noise by emailing Hyundai and their dealerships or even EV news/youtube places in the attempt to highlight to Hyundai how much of an issue this is.

In an attempt to explain why this is a problem I created the below FAQ. If you read this and feel inclined I ask that you get involved with escalating the complaints so they hopefully we will eventually be heard.

I believe all of the below is generally correct, at least in a general basis - please don't spend energy pointing out small typo's or incorrection's when that energy can go towards complaining to Hyundai instead View attachment 18371

What is battery pre-conditioning?

Battery pre-conditioning is a feature that almost all modern EV's have to warm the battery so that its ready to fast-charge. Without warming, in colder months (think below 20 degrees celsius) the car will take much longer to charge - typically at least twice to three times longer.

Typically conditioning is enabled through the Nav system, such that when you navigate to a EV fast charger the car will automatically start warming the battery before you get there so thats its prepped and ready to charge as fast as possible

Why do I care?

Without it the time to fast charge in winter will take 2-3 times as long, and cost 2-3 times as much! (in Canada we get charged per minute not per kwh).

We dont have many fast chargers in Canada, the slower we charge the longer the queues and the worse it is for everyone. The 18 minute 10-90% charging times of our cars was a highly publicized and is a highly sort after feature. Being not able to use it for 4-5 months (or more!) of the year frankly sucks

Don't we already have this?

You have the hardware but not the software. All Canadian car's come with a battery heater but no mechanism to turn it on in advance of getting to a charger. It will turn on when you start to fast charge but it's basically too late by then to make any difference in charging times.

You also have something called "winter mode" but this has been proven to do basically nothing to help DC fast charging

Sure, but why would Hyundai develop this for us?

Actually they already have. The hard work is done, the feature is already developed. 2023 models are getting it as default and in Europe (Norway etc) the software update is already being offered to upgrade 2022 cars.

So why is Hyundai Canada not rolling it out then?

Good question, in the US this seems to be a cost decision as it may take an hour to update the software and dealers apparently do not want to support their customers! The response from Hyundai Canada that i received is:

"due to technical limitations, the 2022 IONIQ 5 models will not be able to receive the update to enable battery preconditioning"

With zero details on what the technical limitation is - I have asked and will update this if I ever hear back but it seems pretty clear that their are no hardware limitations to allow this feature to be rolled out given their is no difference between European cars and Canadian ones. Therefore it must be similar to the US in that dealers or Hyundai themselves simply are unwilling to do so.

How can I help?

Make a fuss! start complaining, sending emails etc. Even if you all spend 15-20 minutes of your time crafting a email it will be our best shot of showing Hyundai that this is unfair to its customer base.

Hyundai launched the Ioniq 5 as one of the first cars behind their "Ioniq" EV brand - they need to support their customers and show that they are willing to add features of importance to its EV's across all countries they sell them in.

Suggestions of places to complain to

  1. Hyundai Canada directly - here Help Centre | Hyundai Canada
  2. Your local dealership and/or dealership contact, where you paid for the car.
  3. Relevant EV news outlets.
  4. Anything else you can think of!
New here. How and where do I sign?
 
A valid point. I hope Hyundai follows Kia's example and offers you relief from slow cold-weather charging.
I'm in your country now. It'll be a good trip for 6 months but in my RV. Left the Ioniq 5 plugged in and set for 80%; that worked well for my Kona and hope the Ioniq 5 behaves the same. Helps keep the 12 V battery topped off. The wind is so strong at my place, it blew the cover off 3 - 4 times according to my neighbours, so left the I5 uncovered this time.
 
I'm not the original author of this but wanted to help spread it. It appears that as of now Norway, Finland, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland, Germany and possibly the UK have pre-conditioning updates available for 2022 models, many of them free. Hyundai Canada is saying we won't get it because of 'technical limitations' when we have the same cars as those countries and we all have battery heaters included. In the US the battery heater is only in the AWD which makes it the only country where it would make any sense whatsoever to not issue the update and I think they should still do it there based on VIN or as a paid request etc.

Wanted to put a call out for all Canadian owners of the 2022 Ioniq that care about the lack of the battery pre-conditioning update coming to Canada to start making noise by emailing Hyundai and their dealerships or even EV news/youtube places in the attempt to highlight to Hyundai how much of an issue this is.

In an attempt to explain why this is a problem I created the below FAQ. If you read this and feel inclined I ask that you get involved with escalating the complaints so they hopefully we will eventually be heard.

I believe all of the below is generally correct, at least in a general basis - please don't spend energy pointing out small typo's or incorrection's when that energy can go towards complaining to Hyundai instead View attachment 18371

What is battery pre-conditioning?

Battery pre-conditioning is a feature that almost all modern EV's have to warm the battery so that its ready to fast-charge. Without warming, in colder months (think below 20 degrees celsius) the car will take much longer to charge - typically at least twice to three times longer.

Typically conditioning is enabled through the Nav system, such that when you navigate to a EV fast charger the car will automatically start warming the battery before you get there so thats its prepped and ready to charge as fast as possible

Why do I care?

Without it the time to fast charge in winter will take 2-3 times as long, and cost 2-3 times as much! (in Canada we get charged per minute not per kwh).

We dont have many fast chargers in Canada, the slower we charge the longer the queues and the worse it is for everyone. The 18 minute 10-90% charging times of our cars was a highly publicized and is a highly sort after feature. Being not able to use it for 4-5 months (or more!) of the year frankly sucks

Don't we already have this?

You have the hardware but not the software. All Canadian car's come with a battery heater but no mechanism to turn it on in advance of getting to a charger. It will turn on when you start to fast charge but it's basically too late by then to make any difference in charging times.

You also have something called "winter mode" but this has been proven to do basically nothing to help DC fast charging

Sure, but why would Hyundai develop this for us?

Actually they already have. The hard work is done, the feature is already developed. 2023 models are getting it as default and in Europe (Norway etc) the software update is already being offered to upgrade 2022 cars.

So why is Hyundai Canada not rolling it out then?

Good question, in the US this seems to be a cost decision as it may take an hour to update the software and dealers apparently do not want to support their customers! The response from Hyundai Canada that i received is:

"due to technical limitations, the 2022 IONIQ 5 models will not be able to receive the update to enable battery preconditioning"

With zero details on what the technical limitation is - I have asked and will update this if I ever hear back but it seems pretty clear that their are no hardware limitations to allow this feature to be rolled out given their is no difference between European cars and Canadian ones. Therefore it must be similar to the US in that dealers or Hyundai themselves simply are unwilling to do so.

How can I help?

Make a fuss! start complaining, sending emails etc. Even if you all spend 15-20 minutes of your time crafting a email it will be our best shot of showing Hyundai that this is unfair to its customer base.

Hyundai launched the Ioniq 5 as one of the first cars behind their "Ioniq" EV brand - they need to support their customers and show that they are willing to add features of importance to its EV's across all countries they sell them in.

Suggestions of places to complain to

  1. Hyundai Canada directly - here Help Centre | Hyundai Canada
  2. Your local dealership and/or dealership contact, where you paid for the car.
  3. Relevant EV news outlets.
  4. Anything else you can think of!
Thé Ioniq Guy on yourtube is based in the IS but he posted a video last month saying that the preconditioning update will be available in Canada Q1 2023. Has anyone had any updates? Link to the video:
 
Thé Ioniq Guy on yourtube is based in the IS but he posted a video last month saying that the preconditioning update will be available in Canada Q1 2023. Has anyone had any updates? Link to the video:


He must have the Magic 8-ball working for him. Hyundai Canada are clueless, let alone a YouTuber in a different country.
 
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