US EV List

[danrjones]

Is their a spreadsheet somewhere with a full list and price and ranges and charge time (say either max kW or 20-80% time) of all the EVS in the US? And as a bonus, if they still qualify for the FED tax credit.

I've been looking to replace my Leaf, but have had to wait longer than I expected, as my local air District Rebate is out of funds until October. I was expecting to be limited to either an Ioniq 5, ID4 or EV6. But am i missing anything?

I'm looking in the $45k max range, and having close to 150 kW (or 30 minutes or less to 80%) and close to 300 miles of "EPA" range.

The bolt certainly is the new hot budget option, but my wife hates it. Of course with dealer markups there may not be a 45k I5... but that's a different issue.

 

[TheLight75]

Did you & she look at the Bolt EUV as well as the classic Bolt EV? The EUV has a different enough look that it appeals to some folks who can't stand the looks of the Bolt EV.

The bolt certainly is the new hot budget option, but my wife hates it. Of course with dealer markups there may not be a 45k I5... but that's a different issue.

 

[danrjones]

Did you & she look at the Bolt EUV as well as the classic Bolt EV? The EUV has a different enough look that it appeals to some folks who can't stand the looks of the Bolt EV.

Yes, I've seen it. She doesn't like it, but even if she did, it doesn't meet my second and third requirements.

Anyway, no spreadsheet? I have looked at EV Database but it seems to be aimed at Europe.

 

[GetOffYourGas]

Yes, I've seen it. She doesn't like it, but even if she did, it doesn't meet my second and third requirements.

Anyway, no spreadsheet? I have looked at EV Database but it seems to be aimed at Europe.

Seems like it would be easy enough to make the spreadsheet yourself. Plus then it will be tailored to your requirements.


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[danrjones]

Seems like it would be easy enough to make the spreadsheet yourself. Plus then it will be tailored to your requirements.
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Yeah, especially since its only three vehicles long at the moment. We really need more choices for ~300 mile range in the mid to low $40k range. Toyota and Subaru don't meet the 300 mile and the 30 minute or less 80% charge time... Lots and lots of new premium choices though. I like the Lyriq ... but no where close in the price.

 

[insightman]

Yeah, especially since its only three vehicles long at the moment. We really need more choices for ~300 mile range in the mid to low $40k range. Toyota and Subaru don't meet the 300 mile and the 30 minute or less 80% charge time... Lots and lots of new premium choices though. I like the Lyriq ... but no where close in the price.

It doesn't appear you've read about the prices dealers are charging for the Ioniq 5. Due to the paltry number of vehicles Hyundai is shipping, most dealers get away with adding a substantial markup. Of course, your dealer may be one of the few that charges MSRP--those dealers are usually sold out many, many months into the future.

 

[bwilson4web]

It doesn't appear you've read about the prices dealers are charging for the Ioniq 5. Due to the paltry number of vehicles Hyundai is shipping, most dealers get away with adding a substantial markup. Of course, your dealer may be one of the few that charges MSRP--those dealers are usually sold out many, many months into the future.

Pick two:

• GOOD
• FAST
• CHEAP

Bob Wilson

 

[Bruce M.]

Bear in mind that officially listed range estimates may not reflect the real world. Some models don't match their EPA numbers, a few exceed them -- one being the Hyundai Kona Electric, which I drive. EPA range is 258. I regularly get well over 300 (though in a previous home with somewhat different driving patterns it was more like 290). I never fast-charge so I don't know the 20%-80% charging time.

 

[danrjones]

It doesn't appear you've read about the prices dealers are charging for the Ioniq 5. Due to the paltry number of vehicles Hyundai is shipping, most dealers get away with adding a substantial markup. Of course, your dealer may be one of the few that charges MSRP--those dealers are usually sold out many, many months into the future.

Actually I'm well aware. Both Hyundai dealers near me are asking 5k over for Ioniq 5s. But you have to start somewhere when pricing out a vehicle, and MSRP is as good place as any. My ford dealer is asking at least 10k over for a Lightning. And forget about a Rav4 prime. Not sure about the closest Kia dealer. There are markups all over. Hell, even Tesla has essentially done the same thing - a model y now costs what, about 15 thousand more than it used to? You can say its not a markup, but it essentially is, they are just doing it themselves instead of a dealer.

Anyway, I choose to use MSRP for a comparison, and I choose not to pay over MSRP, so if those dealers won't negotiate, then they won't get my business.
I personally think with a recession coming, they will negotiate. But time will tell.

But sure, if you are building a US EV spreadsheet, feel free to place a MSRP column and then a subsequent column with average dealer markup. Good idea.

As to the EPA range, concur, and I am also aware. I've owned a Leaf now for almost 4 years. She was "rated" at 150 miles but I've never gotten more than about 92 out of here of the highway. I'm actually really curious to see someone range test the 2023 ID4 versus the Ioniq 5 RWD. On paper, the Ioniq 5 has more range. But does it really? My goto for range has usually been ABRP. Its not perfect but a good comparison tool for range shopping.

 

[bwilson4web]

Calling ‘Wayne Gerdes’.

After over a decade of EPA metrics and methodology, I have more trust in their numbers at 62-63 mph. Better still, use the roll down coefficients and plot drag power as a function of speed.

Bob Wilson

 

[Puppethead]

I never fast-charge so I don't know the 20%-80% charging time.

From the tests I've seen in various articles it seems like most EVs greatly fail their charge rate—either they never get close to the maximum advertised rate, or the rate drops off so quickly that it makes little difference to overall charge time.

 

[insightman]

Calling ‘Wayne Gerdes’.

After over a decade of EPA metrics and methodology, I have more trust in their numbers at 62-63 mph. Better still, use the roll down coefficients and plot drag power as a function of speed.

Bob Wilson

I once had Wayne Gerdes as a passenger in a Honda Insight that a Honda VP let me borrow from the Honda museum in Torrance. Between worrying about hurting Honda's museum-piece and exhibiting less-than-perfect hypermiling skills to Wayne, it was the most nervous I've been behind the wheel since my first day in driver's ed.