True, fake, oblivious & anti green makes

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True, fake, oblivious & anti green makes

True
Tesla, Rimac, Sono, Arcimoto

Questionable
Lucid, Daimler, Xpeng

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Fake
VW, Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Honda, BYD, Hyundai, Kia

Oblivious
FCA, Ferrari

Anti
GM-Nikola, BMW

Firms bellow questonable are faking it or are straight hostile. These firms are looking at loss of name sake and multiple bankruptcies even after multiple mergers.

As for the questionables- Daimler should have taken CA's side in CARB and its claims about how long it will have diesel trucks are beyond delusional. It has dropped further ICE development and it dropped hydrogen (any company that still has a hydrogen program is just another corporate criminal headed for bankruptcy.) Lucid- everything about Lucid seems questionable it has hints of Nikola in it. Xpeng- it has one apparently good product the P7 but its a holding company out of the Caymans almost like a definition of unaccountability and opacity or apparent corruption.

Rimac. Rimac is awesome save for the 10% Porsche stake because VW is oligarch owned-controlled.

The companies in the fake category are regulatory placators. They are can kickers that want to hold on long enough in the hope that the pure EVs will go away or some miracle or finess will drive out pure EV so they can go back to ICE. They are like people with terminal addiction telling addict style lies.

FCA-Peugeot or Stellantis is iteresting. I think it will just license Tesla stuff. Its attitude is it will buy credits and then buy from who ever has a refined platform.

 

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Daimler goes in the fake list:

https://electrek.co/2020/09/16/merc...-truck-concept-fuel-cell-truck/#disqus_thread

Notice the total BS specs for the 'long haul' FCV- suddenly it just matchs the Tesla Semi on range. Nikola started with 1400 mile range claims but as the Tesla Semi is about to launch they've dropped their make believe claims to match Tesla's stats. Daimler should get rid of its truck business. Its causing MB to lie. Knew what was about when its Truck head said a bunch of obviously stupid thing about Tesla's Semi in response to its stats- he was either lying or incompetent. He was upset because MBs electric truck stuff was and still is so underwhelming. And Tesla got the guy that did their Cascadia.
What is happening now it seems is the diesel truck industry's ink cloud distraction is to try to say hydrogen- but hydrogen is a scam and BEV straight replaces Diesel. You see the thing is hydrogen is more expensive by far than anything else if it could be made to work (dirtier too) and it would come from fossil fuels- more fossil fuels than before. But BEV can easily be pure green and us cheaper than anything else even if produced from dirty energy it means less backwards dirty fossil fuels used.

 

[cmwade77]

I am not sure how you came up with these lists, some seem ok, but others quite inaccurate.

Ford is moving in the right direction with the Mustang Mach-E and the upcoming all electric F150. Hyundai also is moving in the right direction, albeit slowly, but they are getting there, the Kona Electric was a huge step there, would be nice if they sold in all of the states, but it is a start and their upcoming vehicles further that. Being owned by the same parent company, Kia is in a similar boat, so I wouldn't put either in the fake category.

You also can't put Nissan in the fake category having sold so many Leafs and the longer range ones are better, not to mention their battery recycling program is very extensive.

Honda has the clarity, which form factor wise is something a lot of people have been asking for, but the range isn't substantial enough on them.

VW is presently solidly in fake territory because they keep promising these great vehicles and never releasing them.

BMW is in between ok and fake, they have good cars, but they keep insisting on these range extenders rather than improving the battery range.

Toyota is not only in the fake category, they invented a new misleading in trying to promote fuel cells as green technology and as for BEVs Toyota is quite actively in the anti category.

Note: This is purely from the green perspective, not how viable they are as a company.

 

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@cmwade77 Guess I see what you mean about Toyota. Maybe should move them into Anti. They were on the wrong side of CARB. I understand your other points its a combination of their having hydrogen programs (which they will try to back up with climate change denial type lies- have Gates lying for them right now) as evidence of pure worse than diesel gate fraudulent intent and the things they've done with or said with their execs recently.