Quality EV Challenge

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It has been long enough to see the early "Tesla competition" which are different from the abysmal 'compliance' cars in the past. Yet in the top 10, there is only one with high efficiency like the Teslas.
Source: www.fueleconomy.gov (use Power search)
  1. 2020 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus Automatic (A1), Electricity
  2. 2021 Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD Automatic (A1), Electricity
  3. 2020 Hyundai Ioniq Electric Automatic (A1), Electricity
  4. 2020 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Automatic (A1), Electricity
  5. 2020 Tesla Model 3 Long Range Automatic (A1), Electricity
  6. 2021 Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD Automatic (A1), Electricity
  7. 2020 Tesla Model 3 Mid Range Automatic (A1), Electricity
  8. 2020 Tesla Model Y Performance AWD Automatic (A1), Electricity
  9. 2020 Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD Automatic (A1), Electricity
  10. 2020 Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD Automatic (A1), Electricity
The Zero Emissions Vehicle (ZEV) credits give no value for EV efficiency but just a unit sales count. So anything established manufacturers can get out and possibly snag a customer works.

Looking at the sub-compact compliance EVs. I thought, 'They should be shipped in the back of new pickup trucks.' Call them a door prize or graduation present, possibly sold below cost, just getting them logged as a sale would enough for a ZEV credit.

Bob Wilson
 
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You keep stating how important it is to have data. So it would help if you put some numbers in your list versus the next closest competitors. Without numbers, we don't know how much more efficient Tesla is compared with the competition.

Note that ZEV credit are not the only bone of contention. One might argue that we shouldn't allow tax credits for PHEVs that don't meet a certain winter range.
 
Well, I get a different list:
1: Tesla model 3 - 141 mpge
2: Hyundai Ioniq - 133 mpge
3-6: Tesla model 3 (several models) 131-121 mpge
7: Hyundai Kona - 120 mpge
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Well, I think those numbers are weird. Every single Tesla model is listed separately. However, the Kona with 64 kWh battery is listed as 120 mpge. The Kona with the 32 kWh battery should in theory be better since it's the same car but lighter. But it doesn't show at all?

Just saying ... [emoji6]
 
I'm not to worried about ZeV credits not being tied to efficiency.

A less efficient EV will either cost the manufacture more to get competing range, or their offerings will be less appealing and thus they'll sell less EVs and get less credits.
 
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