Munro and three wheelers

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bwilson4web

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Hi,

Munro and Associates are going into three wheel vehicles:

Given the performance of Nikola Motors that was pushed by a non-engineering salesman, the Munro effort is led by a qualified, skilled engineer with manufacturing background.

There are no guarantees but compared to many startups, this one has a chance. But the number of wheels remains a technical challenge:
  • 3 - tricycle, two front or one front, requires little technical skill but loss of a wheel can be grim. Munro proposes an active suspension to deal with loss of a wheel and to improve handling. I'm open minded about the prospect but not in the market.
  • 4 - ordinary cars require no technical skill and loss of one wheel makes it into a tricycle. It isn't impossible to have an accident with one failed wheel but it takes a lack of skill.
So we have a Std Rng Plus Model 3 and BMW i3-REx which fully meets are transportation requirement. However, I could see a well designed, tricycle having lower energy cost per mile and a cross country capability.

Bob Wilson
 
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What a weird market to try and get into. There's no way the annual sales of all three-wheeled vehicles exceed 100k per year in the US. This is such a niche market.
 
I was planning to build a cybertryke.

Like you say, demand for three wheelers isn’t high. Even at $6,000 it’s going to be a hard sell. The only way I could see it being a viable business plan in the “west” is if you build a low cost EV racing series around it. Focus on driving dynamics, skip all the fancy stuff. Sell them to people who want the rush of driving a motorbike, but want to stay dry in the wet.

I might still do it. At the very least I’d like to build a functioning prototype. It shouldn’t be that expensive, say $10k. Maybe I should sell some Tesla shares to fund it, pull a Nikola, roll it down a hill, do a reverse SPAC, outsource the manufacturing to GM, pocket a billion dollars and retire.
 
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Kei cars a big in China and Japan. Approx 40% of all vehicle sales in those regions. This may be the market Sandy is targeting. Then add in India and that’s a **** ton of potential buyers.
 
SouthernDude said:
There's no way the annual sales of all three-wheeled vehicles exceed 100k per year in the US
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The world is larger than the USA: Europe, Asia, Africa, South and Central America, and the Island Nations. Still, there are USA market opportunities:
  1. First car buyers - high school, college, and first jokers. For example, there was a three year period where I used a mix of public transportation and motorcycle. Then my wife insisted I get rid of it after I slid across an intersection.
  2. Delivery services - everything from pizzas to groceries to other high value packages.
  3. Elderly - living on fixed incomes yet still needing to travel and not a motorcycle candidate. For them, a three wheeler with advanced driver assistance keeps them living independently.
  4. ATV riders - many already are three wheelers or small wheelbase, vehicles. Being enclosed with safety features that prevent roll-over injury would work.
  5. HOV lane access - this could reduce traffic congestion.
The best way to measure the demand is to offer the product and see what the buyers choose.

Bob Wilson
 
bwilson4web said:
The world is larger than the USA: Europe, Asia, Africa, South and Central America, and the Island Nations. Still, there are USA market opportunities:
  1. First car buyers - high school, college, and first jokers. For example, there was a three year period where I used a mix of public transportation and motorcycle. Then my wife insisted I get rid of it after I slid across an intersection.
  2. Delivery services - everything from pizzas to groceries to other high value packages.
  3. Elderly - living on fixed incomes yet still needing to travel and not a motorcycle candidate. For them, a three wheeler with advanced driver assistance keeps them living independently.
  4. ATV riders - many already are three wheelers or small wheelbase, vehicles. Being enclosed with safety features that prevent roll-over injury would work.
  5. HOV lane access - this could reduce traffic congestion.
The best way to measure the demand is to offer the product and see what the buyers choose.

Bob Wilson
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Sure, those are potential buyers, but I still can't imagine the market being that large. You can easily find a used car for cheap prices and most states require a motorcycle license to drive a three-wheeled vehicle.
 
I tend to like (some) three-wheelers because they're quirky and rare. But, I think trying to push them in the U.S. is a task of Sisyphean proportions.

But, as Bob say, they world is bigger than the U.S. and there could be an large role for them in Asia, Africa and South America.
 
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