Model 3's lasting for 90 years of commuting

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Right now the motors in the Model 3 are rated for a million miles and the battery packs are rated for between 300K and 500K. By the time the average commuter had to replace a pack 25-41 years will have elapsed. And keep in mind aside from tires these require next to no maintenance (doesn't use friction brakes much- has electronic steering etc.) and Tesla is about to offer insurance (keep insurance from being used to socialize and mask fossil fuel losses) which may include coverage of any component failures. But Tesla will be taking the batteries up to a million miles or the commercial rating next year. That is such a bargain. The average commuter could drive for 90 years with huge savings on fuel and maintenance with that. The point is to enable the commuter and taxi services at 16 cents a mile. ICE semis are rated for a million on the engine- not sure about the trans but they require massive maintenance cost. The Mercedes 240D could handle a million miles but it was a dirty put put machine and again much higher maintenance and fuel costs.

The Model 3 is unheard of value and quality. When you can see that that Tesla is leaving all companies that aren't Chinese or Rivian in the rear view mirror I think was can start to wonder if Tesla will end up producing a much larger share of the EV vehicles than planned. Look at the Taycan- Porsche is going to have to delay that thing because its speed and its range are simply not competitive- when the real range on the Model S now is close to 400 miles and the real range on the weaker and older EU electric car range standard pans out to just above 200 miles and the 0-60 speed can't keep up with the similarly priced Model 3- lagging by more than half a second well they have to delay. Tesla keeps leaving the so-called competition in the rear view mirror.

SoCal is all new Model 3s I don't see new BMWs or Mercedes there anymore. Yes it seems Tesla dipped a little bit in the first quarter, but other automakers dipped more and I think the dip for the Model 3 was in substantial part due to people anticipate the hardware upgrade.
 
Any word on this below from Musk? This would not only be a significant technological advancement for EVs but also grid storage. 1Million miles on an EV or over 80 years usage without replacement.

It would reduce the cost of lithium ion batteries for grid storage to less than half the equivalent coal/gas plants, since they have a lifespan of only 40yrs.

https://electrek.co/2019/04/23/tesla-battery-million-miles-elon-musk/

Tesla is working on new battery that lasts 1 million miles to come out next year, says Elon Musk

He made a comment about a new battery pack that will last 1million miles, matching the electric motor's lifespan, but I haven't heard anything since.
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A million miles would be 229 years of one vehicles driving for our family. If we can get a single Model Y to replace both of our vehicles, that’s still 115 year service life. I won’t live that long.
 
I doubt that a typical Model 3 will last 90 years. First, unlike the more expensive Teslas, the body is made of steel not aluminum. https://electrek.co/2017/08/22/tesla-model-3-body-alloy-mix/ The steel body will eventually corrode. Second, the suspension and interior (shocks, control arms, seats, etc.) are no different than any other car. Imagine also how much EV technology will advance in 5 or 10 years. Why would anyone want a 10 year old Tesla 3 when they can have the new shiny "Tesla 1000" or its equivalent with perhaps a 1,000 mile range? Elon Musk is a visionary, but hasn't been too good at delivering on schedule or at the promised price.
 
When people make these battery lifetime claims, are they assuming owners will only be charging from 20 to 80% SOC (or 30-70%, or whatever) and not using fast charging at all? And at what point are they declaring the battery dead? When 70% of original capacity is left, or 50%, or ... ?

There's a lot of confusing hype in the EV marketplace about range and battery lifetime, and a lot of variables that are only mentioned in the fine print or not at all.
 
brulaz said:
When people make these battery lifetime claims, are they assuming owners will only be charging from 20 to 80% SOC (or 30-70%, or whatever) and not using fast charging at all? And at what point are they declaring the battery dead? When 70% of original capacity is left, or 50%, or ... ?

There's a lot of confusing hype in the EV marketplace about range and battery lifetime, and a lot of variables that are only mentioned in the fine print or not at all.
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Right. With technology changing rapidly, who would use the battery for that long. Even if the battery lasts that long, will the motors and other parts last that long. It is just a lot of hype.
 
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