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fishbert said:
Negative incentives are still incentives.
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But you failed to include the most important word, that is, "negative" in your post, did you?

So now, you are introducing new information by stating that "negative" incentive is what you really meant.

First of all, "negative" incentive would be equivalent to "penalty" which is what I originally asserted in my posts above, so you are actually agreeing with me. But your post seems otherwise.

Secondly, it's ok to introduce new information and/or verify what you really meant. But acknowledging that your original post didn't contain the said new information would be an intellectually honest thing to do.
 
sacharama said:
… acknowledging that your original post didn't contain the said new information would be an intellectually honest thing to do.
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a) You appear to have me confused with someone else.

b) I can’t tell if you’re agreeing or disagreeing that negative incentives are still incentives. I’ll assume you’re agreeing (and trying to save some face), so this pedantic argument can be over now.
 
fishbert said:
a) You appear to have me confused with someone else.

b) I can’t tell if you’re agreeing or disagreeing that negative incentives are still incentives. I’ll assume you’re agreeing (and trying to save some face), so this pedantic argument can be over now.
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a) Yes I have.

b) I agree that "negative" incentive is equivalent to penalty/deterrent. But I don't agree that "incentive" itself is applicable to this instance.

Because the word "incentive" has an inherent positive connotation that promotes, encourages and advocates something.

What we are discussing here is to "discourage" a negative behavior (taking up charging spots), and citations and/or idling fees are examples of carrying out this "discouragement".

By calling a "deterrent/penalty" a "negative" incentive is no different than spinning

- fragrant fouls in ball games
- late fee for missed payment of mortgages
- penalty and interest in owed taxes
etc etc

as "negative" incentive.

And the original post was about "monetary incentive" and not about "monetary negative incentive", hence my responses accordingly

Finally, I don't view these exchanges as "arguments" but "debates".
 
sacharama said:
b) I agree that "negative" incentive is equivalent to penalty/deterrent. But I don't agree that "incentive" itself is applicable to this instance.
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That’s dancing around the question. It’s a simple yes/no… do you agree that a negative incentive is still an incentive?

Actually, I don’t care. I feel I’ve made the point.

sacharama said:
Because the word "incentive" has an inherent positive connotation that promotes, encourages and advocates something.
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I’d say “incentivizes”, which could go either way.

sacharama said:
By calling a "deterrent/penalty" a "negative" incentive is no different than spinning
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Some call it “using the English language.”

sacharama said:
I don't view these exchanges as "arguments" but "debates".
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Wait… what were you just saying about ‘spinning’?

sacharama said:
- fragrant fouls in ball games
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Can we end this here with a laugh? Please?
 
fishbert said:
That’s dancing around the question. It’s a simple yes/no… do you agree that a negative incentive is still an incentive?

Actually, I don’t care. I feel I’ve made the point.

I’d say “incentivizes”, which could go either way.

Some call it “using the English language.”

Wait… what were you just saying about ‘spinning’?

Can we end this here with a laugh? Please?
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To grant your wish, "laugh emoji"
 
sacharama said:
Incorrect.

That's not an incentive. That's a deterrent.

Incentive is reward based. Deterrent is penalty based.

Incentive is something that you gain by doing something. So, if you move your car as soon as it's fully charged, you get $5 as gift, that would be an incentive. An incentive to not taking up the spot.

Deterrent on the other hand is something you lose if you do or don't do something, In this case, if you move your car as soon as it's fully charged, you will not be fined. A deterrent for taking up the spot.

A tax credit for purchasing an EV is a monetary incentive to promote the adoption of sustainable transport.

A citation for speeding is a monetary deterrent for unsafe driving.
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An incentive is motivation to do something. It can be positive or negative. You're grasping at straws.
 
fishbert said:
I have a feeling 2 spots is not going to be enough in the near future. Certainly at apartments, where people may be more likely to stay plugged in well beyond reaching full charge.
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Yeah, I wonder... I'm guessing the average city/apartment dweller probably drives 10-20 miles a day. That means a fill up every week or so, assuming no other charging at work or while shopping. So, two slots should serve 14 up to maybe 20 EVs (and that's assuming only one full charge, per slot, per day). In a 150 unit complex, that's about 5 to 10%, about the percentage of EVs on the road.

Coincidence, or the market adapting to demand?
 
insightman said:
What's the little "R" in the middle that makes your plate work so well (especially for an F14 pilot)?
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In Texas, the maximum number of characters on a tag is seven. But, you can add a space to the seven. So, I requested AFT_BRNR and then added a vinyl decal "R" in the gap.

I chose a one-inch decal so as not to appear to be obfuscating the plate's real lettering. Many people here do the same thing with little heart decals or other punctuation.
 
F14Scott said:
In Texas, the maximum number of characters on a tag is seven. But, you can add a space to the seven. So, I requested AFT_BRNR and then added a vinyl decal "R" in the gap.

I chose a one-inch decal so as not to appear to be obfuscating the plate's real lettering. Many people here do the same thing with little heart decals or other punctuation.
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The little heart is an official character, though.
 
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