Help me with basic math please

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teslarati97 said:
Costs of home chargers applies only to EVs used in home charging. We assume
an L1 charger costs $600 and L2 charger (with installation in 2021) costs
$1,820.40. These costs are amortized over 5 years.

It still costs $364.1/year (level 2 only) according to their assumptions. Works out to 28% of the $10.79/100 purposeful miles in the mid-priced EV category. Exclusively home charging at $0.17/kWh would bring down the cost to about $9.27/100 purposeful miles (12,000 annual miles).


The same reason why you need to buy another L2 EVSE for $1,820.40 each time you buy another EV.
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So how much should be deducted for a Mini since it comes with a L2 charger?
 
Tommm said:
So how much should be deducted for a Mini since it comes with a L2 charger?
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Well using a Partial Cost of Ownership model by Anderson Economic Group is primarily for public policy, most notably future taxation on EVs (i.e. toll roads, user fees, etc.).

If you want to follow the their analysis I suppose you could deduct negative $500 in year 1 to bring it down $6.63 per 100 purposeful miles. You can also add $200/year on the ICE for oil & filter service.

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I do think the numbers are an actual scenario, just far removed from my own, so it makes them seem wrong at first.

The 20% away from home would be 2,400 miles in this scenario which is quite a bit, but not that far off for a Michigan-Florida trip for spring break or vacation.
$3.32/gallon is dated, but in the ballpark.
33mpg is reasonable for a smaller car as overall mpg.
3.9mi/KWH is accurate.
The 255 deadhead miles is kind of out there, but only adds $14.70 (which I can't recreate that exact number)

If someone buys a Bolt, buys a charger, lives in Michigan, has to charge during a long trip or 2, etc then yeah it's about right.

For my case, I come up with $3.62 for 100 miles including the new Kentucky $120 road tax and the fact I've never bought an EVSE and currently have 3 or 4, can't remember exactly.
 
When I consider our Ioniq 5, it's even better since we get 2 years of free Electrify America charging and have used the crap out of it so far.

My wife is taking it on a trip to Charleston, SC from here in October and will likely charge for free the entire trip.
 
About half of the annual miles on my Bolt are on road trips that require public charging. However, since I leave home with a full charge, it ends up being less than half the energy I use on those trips. So 20% is probably a good number for my use case.

The SE doesn’t travel often so it’s more like 5% of my energy is from public charging.


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IMO this whole discussion can get in the bin. It's a BS "article" based on a garbage "study" with so many holes and irrelevancies, is it really worth discussing...? There is nobody in this forum we need to convince.
 
DJCoopster said:
we get 2 years of free Electrify America
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As do all VWs... My best friend's '23 Bolt EUV came with a 32 Amp charger and a CA$750 Flo charging credit. He has given me his Flo login because he doesn't think he will be able to use up that credit for public charging before he is too old to drive lol. Seriously, it's just a bogus article based on a BIG OIL agenda.
 
SameGuy said:
IMO this whole discussion can get in the bin. It's a BS "article" based on a garbage "study" with so many holes and irrelevancies, is it really worth discussing...? There is nobody in this forum we need to convince.
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It was posted in a Navy Nucs group on FB I'm in.

It's amazing how viral anti-EV articles can become so quickly. The members of that group tend to be older conservatives. They can't stand that women are allowed on subs now, just can not.
 
SameGuy said:
IMO this whole discussion can get in the bin. It's a BS "article" based on a garbage "study" with so many holes and irrelevancies, is it really worth discussing...? There is nobody in this forum we need to convince.
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True!

My math was simple. Buy a 35k car for 25k. pay 28K out the door for a new car with a few bucks in wire and a circuit breaker. Drive it for less than 4 cents a mile and when it comes time to sell see where I am. In the meantime I paid 10k less than the same car with that takes premium gas, and will cost at least 10 cents a mile to drive.
 
Now imagine my situation in Montreal, where I pay just over 4¢ (US) per kilowatt-hour, and a US gallon of regular unleaded is US$5.72... With 99.7% of our electricity supplied from renewable or "green" sources (mostly hydro), and ~US$9,000 in government EV incentives available, the calculus is embarrassingly simple here.
 
SameGuy said:
Now imagine my situation in Montreal, where I pay just over 4¢ (US) per kilowatt-hour, and a US gallon of regular unleaded is US$5.72... With 99.7% of our electricity supplied from renewable or "green" sources (mostly hydro), and ~US$9,000 in government EV incentives available, the calculus is embarrassingly simple here.
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I'm "green" with envy. I thought I had a good deal. Gas is hovering at $3.39 here, and I'm currently paying $0.17 per kwh. I believe my utility company just reached 50% renewable.
 
revorg said:
I'm "green" with envy. I thought I had a good deal. Gas is hovering at $3.39 here, and I'm currently paying $0.17 per kwh. I believe my utility company just reached 50% renewable.
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Be careful, your numbers are almost exactly what the study used for their calculations!
 
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