First Cheap US EV
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Jim Matthews
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Skywell ET5
Goodbye, stealerships. Hello direct ordering.
https://topelectricsuv.com/news/imperium/imperium-et5-us-price-details/
Goodbye, stealerships. Hello direct ordering.
https://topelectricsuv.com/news/imperium/imperium-et5-us-price-details/
The irony is dealerships have long practiced 'bait-and-switch' to get buyers into an ICE car. They could convert a corner of their property into a 24x7, fast DC charger but they don't. Instead they put in a L2 EVSE and park their excess inventory there to block any EV access. Some deserve to go out of business.
Bob Wilson
I don't think this one meets the specs. The base model meets the cost target. But it's probably the 55kWh battery with 255 mile range for NEDC. That's probably less than 200 miles EPA.
Jim Matthews
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Is there a hyphen in "anal retentive"?
Puppethead
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The MINI Cooper SE was introduced in 2020 and has an MSRP of $29900 for the base model.
I can see why aomeone would look for EV that is under $30,000 US dollars. But there is no real need for 240 mile EPA range.
Dan
Also the 2022 Nissan Leaf S 40 kWh $27,400, Leaf SV 40 kWh $28,800 both under $30,000 US dollars
Mine and others have different range requirements. For example, Mom and blood kin live just over 700 miles away. The SuperCharger network is fast and dense enough we can drive there in a day. Thanks to AutoPilot, we arrive not exhausted by the trip.
For battery life, I only charge to 68% daily, ~154 miles. This easily handles local driving yet is enough to reach SuperChargers North, South, East, and West of Huntsville. Yet I can charge to 232 miles the night before when going out of town. This gives an initial drive 3-4 hours to reach the lunch charger.
Bob Wilson
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For that distance ( 700 miles ) I would just take a plane. In my case I only travelled more than 125 miles ( by car ) 1 way 2 times since 1979 by car. otherwise went by plane
Urbanengineer
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I wouldn’t use Nedc estimates for actual range quoting. I bet that will have 150-180 miles range. NEDC is extremely optimistic.
Exactly, travel requirements are individual and I have not criticism of yours. Air travel in the USA is challenging because of the hub-and-spoke routes. Then there is rental at the destination that invariably is a disappointment.
If flying works for you, GO FOR IT! Just realize not all flying is equal. Living in Huntsville, my first flight is a feeder to a hub. At the hub, I often have to transfer to another hub before the final regional hop to reach my destination:
- Huntsville-to-[Nashville/Atlanta]
- Hub-to-hub_2 [Kansas City/Dallas]
- Hub_2-to-Tulsa
- Rent car to drive to either Stillwater OK or Coffeyville KS
Bob, I see your point now that you mentioned hub-and-spoke routes. In my case , they are direct flights with no hubs and rental car only when get to destination
Dan
I was looking for a car that could meet almost all driving needs. I set the range requirement at a range I would be willing to take a typical all day drive. For example, Portland Oregon to San Francisco, San Francisco to San Diego... If you live on the east coast, you might have a lower range tolerance. With decent charge rates and charging infrastructure, using a 250 mile range EV, is less than 10% slower than an ICE car on a road trip.
Puppethead
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Fortunately there are many different kinds of BEVs to choose from as options for people with different needs or tastes. Many, like Tesla, are not affordable to many people. Others, like the Leaf and MINI Cooper SE, offer an opportunity for people to get a BEV for about the same price as a nice ICE vehicle. With the (current) Federal EV tax credit, a brand-new SE is going to be $22,400. It's also an incredibly capable and fun BEV, if the range fits your lifestyle.
Well, almost all YOUR driving needs. For many people, a drive of 100 miles at a time is a road trip; for others, it's their daily commute. Most people don't need long range (even if they think they want to), and could happily drive any of the good EV's that sell for <US$ 30,000.