2023 Mini Cooper Electric

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Laker2016 said:
https://www.caranddriver.com/mini/cooper-s-e

Same price, same awesome car!
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It IS an awesome car! Accelerating to 60 mph in 6.1 seconds is the best test result I've seen anywhere. I still can't believe that Motorweek host and MINI-owner John Davis didn't have that TV show take the SE to the drag strip like they do for plebeian SUVs.

However, I'm disappointed Car and Driver didn't realize the SE has greatly extended its EPA range to 114 miles.
 
I read the Car & Driver piece and fell down a bit of a range rabbit hole.

First, I tweeted at Car & Driver to give them a heads up on the range error in their overview of the 2023 model. While doing that, I noticed that the Mini site includes an erroneous range reference as well. Go to Mini's page on the SE, and you'll see that the top of the page correctly lists the '23 model's range as 114 miles. But if you scroll down to the FAQ section at the bottom, the first FAQ—which is focused on range—incorrectly lists the old 110 mile range (see the associated image below).
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Might not seem like a big deal, but the problem is that Google is picking up on that text to populate the snippets and 'Quick Answers' displayed in their search results (see image below). Ugh!
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I sent a tweet to Mini giving them a heads up on this, but if anyone happens to know someone in Mini marketing, please do let them know. Not that there's a huge difference between 110 miles and 114 miles, but they should get credit for those 4 miles they added as of the '22 model!
 
kicksology said:
I read the Car & Driver piece and fell down a bit of a range rabbit hole.

First, I tweeted at Car & Driver to give them a heads up on the range error in their overview of the 2023 model. While doing that, I noticed that the Mini site includes an erroneous range reference as well. Go to Mini's page on the SE, and you'll see that the top of the page correctly lists the '23 model's range as 114 miles. But if you scroll down to the FAQ section at the bottom, the first FAQ—which is focused on range—incorrectly lists the old 110 mile range (see the associated image below).
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Might not seem like a big deal, but the problem is that Google is picking up on that text to populate the snippets and 'Quick Answers' displayed in their search results (see image below). Ugh!
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I sent a tweet to Mini giving them a heads up on this, but if anyone happens to know someone in Mini marketing, please do let them know. Not that there's a huge difference between 110 miles and 114 miles, but they should get credit for those 4 miles they added as of the '22 model!
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Since I mainly do city driving, the range is actually 122 miles.
https://insideevs.com/news/507019/2022-mini-cooper-epa-range/
 
Torrey said:
City vs highway is less interesting for EVs. EPA should really move to winter vs summer. Test range at 15 degrees and 70 degrees.
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Agreed. At 70F, I get 125 miles even on the highway. At 15F, I still get almost 100 miles. It’s below that, when the heat pump is useless and the car switches to 100% resistive heat, that range plummets. At 0F or below, I see 70-80 miles.


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GetOffYourGas said:
Agreed. At 70F, I get 125 miles even on the highway. At 15F, I still get almost 100 miles. It’s below that, when the heat pump is useless and the car switches to 100% resistive heat, that range plummets. At 0F or below, I see 70-80 miles.
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Is there any way to tell when the heat pump hands off to the resistive heater? When the SE was revealed, MINI was bragging that its heat pump was very efficient, but no hard-core data was forthcoming.

I've always wondered if there's a signal on the OBDII bus that indicates when the resistive heater is working. I guess one could tap into the wire powering the resistive heater to discover when it goes active, but that's not very elegant.
 
Excellent question. I haven’t had any luck connecting an OBDII reader to my phone so I don’t know where the cutoff is exactly. However, there is a sharp decrease in efficiency when the OAT is around 15F. I set the heat to 65F in the car. That’s a max differential of 50 degrees, which is about right for a heat pump. So based on my observations, I’m guessing that 15 is the cutoff but I don’t have OBDII data to back that up.


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insightman said:
Is there any way to tell when the heat pump hands off to the resistive heater? When the SE was revealed, MINI was bragging that its heat pump was very efficient, but no hard-core data was forthcoming.

I've always wondered if there's a signal on the OBDII bus that indicates when the resistive heater is working. I guess one could tap into the wire powering the resistive heater to discover when it goes active, but that's not very elegant.
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I was wondering about this as well.

My Mach-E has an "E-HEAT" feature that you can turn on/off in climate settings. When on, it'll use the PTC/resistive heater, and even though the Mach-E doesn't have a heat pump, when set to off, it recoups some heat from the motors/etc to "warm" the cabin. Obviously without a heat pump leaving it off doesn't actually recoup much heat, but I do like the option of saying "NO RESISITIVE HEAT!". (That's only for cabin comfort though, it will always use PTC heater for battery management as it sees fit...)
 
We've had some weird weather in southern California lately: 2 weeks ago it was 30s (F) in the a.m., so I've been using the steering wheel heater. My son likes the seat heater. Haven't noticed the range taking a hit. Last week, it hit 90 during the day.
 
Driving around our suburban/city life here where speed limits are 40 or 45mph and red light intersections are everywhere we never get less than about 145 miles of actual range unless it’s freezing temperatures. That’s being driven in mid mode by my wife who doesn’t have a lead foot but does leave the other cars behind at the lights…
 
Can't believe C&D ranked the Mini behind the Bolt and Leaf! Must use range and carrying capacity as major factors in their decision.

Rob
 
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