What did you do to your MINI today?

Discussion in 'Cooper SE' started by SameGuy, Oct 4, 2022.

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  1. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Look at it this way: You can sit in your SE whenever you want and fire up the, er, heater. You aren't waiting for some slow boat to bring it to you.
     
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  3. CuriousGeorge

    CuriousGeorge Well-Known Member

    True, true - I might just have to go do that. (But then I'd probably notice the half-chrome ring around the door handle cups, and it would bug me.)

    If it weren't so cold, I'd be out in the garage pulling the wheels to paint the brake calipers, but it's a bit too chilly for that.

    Here's a thought I had: if I operate the SE's heat pump with the windows and sunroof open, can I heat the whole garage?
     
  4. Puppethead

    Puppethead Well-Known Member

    My 2021 Iconic trim SE from before supply chain issues has half-chrome. Personally I like it so no changing for me. I'm guessing it was just a design choice by MINI that all SEs would be half-chrome.
     
  5. SameGuy

    SameGuy Well-Known Member Subscriber

    YUL
    I created a couple of Alexa routines to streamline the use of the My BMW skill.

    Somehow it escaped me that multiple trigger phrases could be assigned to one action. Because the car uses automatic climate control, ambient temperature determines the system’s output temperature. Having multiple trigger phrases helps with contextual logical association, and not needing to think about the trigger phrase, ie: needing to say “climatize” or “warm” in the summer or “cool” in the winter. So this routine is called “Warm or cool my MINI”; the trigger phrases are “Alexa, warm up my car,” (winter) and “Alexa, cool down my car,” (summer) while the action is the voice command “Alexa, ask BMW to ventilate my Cooper.”

    I’ve set up similar routines that allow more natural flow, with trigger phrases such as “Alexa, what’s my charge at?” (“Alexa, ask BMW for my charge level”) and “Alexa, did I lock up?” (“Alexa, ask BMW my status”) and “Alexa, lock the car” (“Alexa, ask BMW to lock my doors”). I have also simplified checking my windows and what the charge is at. I also have a routine with several trigger phrases of variations on checking my range, using more natural language.

    I don’t know why none of this occurred to me over the last six months or so.
     
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  6. teslarati97

    teslarati97 Well-Known Member

    Mostly no in terms of the heat pump operation as you are just transferring the ambient thermal energy from the garage into the MINI and back out to the garage.

    However, there are efficiency losses and heat generated by the electronics...so also yes!
     
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  8. SameGuy

    SameGuy Well-Known Member Subscriber

    YUL
    My heat pump water heater is ducted to and from my heated garage, so (in theory at least), my MINI could heat my water. Technically, the Subaru’s latent heat after arrival does actually get transferred to the water. More so in the spring and fall, when opening the garage door doesn’t dramatically alter the temperature
     
  9. CuriousGeorge

    CuriousGeorge Well-Known Member

    It was the latter I had in mind when asking my (semi-facetious) question. Obviously the energy would have to go somewhere; I just don't have a good feel for how quickly/effectively it would work.
     
  10. Puppethead

    Puppethead Well-Known Member

    You know, I hadn't thought of that. We all (hopefully) know how dangerous it is to run an ICE vehicle inside a garage, but the SE could, without hazard, run full climatization while plugged into the EVSE and theoretically heat the whole garage. I have an inadequate electric garage heater, I think I might have to give the SE a try as a space heater. Unless winter magically ends suddenly.
     
  11. SameGuy

    SameGuy Well-Known Member Subscriber

    YUL
    I don’t think you can select the resistance heater, though. As pointed out above, heat pumps (really “heat movers”) draw thermal energy from one area and move it to another. They don’t add heat. Putting the evaporator and condenser coils in the same enclosed space (ie. the SE in a closed garage with its windows open) creates an equilibrium. You might gain a tiny bit of heat from needlessly running the system and warming up the battery and pump motor, but that’s terribly inefficient.
     
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  13. teslarati97

    teslarati97 Well-Known Member

    I have an attached non-heated garage and the coldest is about 25F when it's -40F overnight. My 16kWh solar PV battery is also in the garage but I don't think it makes a huge difference for heat generation.

    When I have the garage door open to shovel snow, I've seen it dip down to maybe 10F?
     
  14. SameGuy

    SameGuy Well-Known Member Subscriber

    YUL
    Yikes. My two-standard-door, two-car garage is under the bedrooms of a split-level, and in true 60s style, had two small registers supplying forced air along the duct/beam bulkhead across the middle. I used to keep them foil taped all summer so as not to waste cooled air, but open in winter to warm up the garage. A few years ago I installed a 5000W, 240V garage heater and have left the registers sealed all year. In an upcoming phase of my long-term garage rehab project I'll be opening the drywall on the bulkhead around those registers and removing them, and properly closing the holes with sheetmetal and duct mastic (right now I'm sure there's a ton of leakage around the duct joints behind the drywall). I have a Zwave relay set up on Hubitat to keep the heat as close to 10-16°C (50-60°F) as possible during winter, and above 5°C (41°F) when it's below -12°C outside and my electricity rate skyrockets on my dual-rate plan. But I have the smart home system set to shut off the heater if a door is open longer than one minute, such as when I'm shovelling.
     
  15. Puppethead

    Puppethead Well-Known Member

    Climatization brings the SE to a hard-coded temperature. I can tell from winter cold that climatization uses resistive heating when necessary, which is what I was alluding to. If my garage is 10 ºF (actually just below 30 ºF) and I open the SE windows and climatize, I'd expect the resistive heater to engage until the SE interior registered the proper temperature and due to air leakage end up heating the whole garage space to a point. Hence my note to be plugged into the EVSE to avoid draining the high voltage batteries.
     
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  16. pictsidhe

    pictsidhe Well-Known Member

    If the Mini runs climatisation in an enclosed space. The heat delivered to the space will be the net power consumed by its climatisation system. Whether it is by heat pump, resistance, or gnomes. You definitely want to do this plugged up. If you do that on a fully charged battery, you can see the heating input to your space from your EVSE.
    If you want to be efficient, seal the front of the mini outside, and the cabin to the inside. Won't help if it is too cold for the heat pump to operate. It also sounds like a royal PITA to do.
    Insulating your enclosed space will dramatically decrease temperature variations.
     
  17. pictsidhe

    pictsidhe Well-Known Member

    Better would be to electrically operate the registers to keep temps where you want them.
     
  18. SameGuy

    SameGuy Well-Known Member Subscriber

    YUL
    Nowadays it’s against code, for one, and using the house’s conditioned air for a garage is terribly wasteful. I heat with a heat pump, so the registers would (and did) need to be open all the time. In the dead of winter, the 5000W heater ran for an average of less than an hour a day to maintain 50-60°F (I’m using a wide passband to avoid cycling too much). That’s around 20¢ a day.
     
  19. pictsidhe

    pictsidhe Well-Known Member

    Grandfather clause, FTW! Heat pumps are much more efficient than resistive heaters. You only need to control the garage registers.
     
  20. SameGuy

    SameGuy Well-Known Member Subscriber

    YUL
    Perhaps a separate heat pump for the garage, but not if fed from the central system for the whole house. Basically like running the central heat pump with an open window.
     
  21. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Well-Known Member

    Mini split in the garage on its own heat pump. They’re pretty cheap now.
     
  22. SameGuy

    SameGuy Well-Known Member Subscriber

    YUL
    Some day. Lol
     
  23. SameGuy

    SameGuy Well-Known Member Subscriber

    YUL
    Phone is not heating noticeably, but running CarPlay on a 20-minute drive my charge only went from 73 to 75% lol. 20 minutes on a normal PD charge via lightning would get that 73% up into the 90s or even full.
     

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