Shouldn't May & Tories be the prime suspects not Russia?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by 101101, Mar 14, 2018.

  1. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    Appears Hilary didn't get in because anonymous tipped the electoral college on Hillary and Iran. She was acting paid for and spouting the same stuff on Iran which Romney did which was war with Iran at the risk of a nuclear WWIII with Russia. And clearly Hillary lost to Bernie in the primaries which made it harder for her to push the vote fraud issue even if she won by 3 million votes. Of course Iran was threatening the petrol dollar but its long past time to drop that BS - war in Iran besides trying to create a binary world conspirator that conveniently won't cooperate with carbon caps is also just another petrol bailout.

    When Trump got in he wasn't spouting that stuff about Iran. And if Russia did meddle in US elections like the US does everywhere, can we blame it when it was trying to stop WWIII? Wouldn't the US do the same if the situation were reversed?

    But as for May and the Torries they are facing a removal from power over Corbyn. They should be the first suspects because the the Tories still haven't faced war crimes trials for Iraq and Afghanistan and what ever their role was in the 911 fraud that kicked it off for the purpose of stealing oil and bailing out petrol again. The Blair and Bush admins still have faced justice. Do we think these people wouldn't poison some people to help their ally in Washington while being able to save their non contributing constituency from proportionate incomes and proper taxes?
     
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  2. Feed The Trees

    Feed The Trees Active Member

    Is that like about the Whigs and all?

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  3. WadeTyhon

    WadeTyhon Well-Known Member

    HMMM 101101 sure loves Iran and Russia... I wonder how he feels about Syria?

    And what's this... he is blaming the UK and Theresa May for election interference.... WHAT!?

    Clearest indication yet that 101101 is actually a Russian disinformation agent?

    We know that the hard liners in the UK wanted brexit. Who else did? Why Russia, of course! Their propaganda arms (I mean, news sources) pushed for support of Brexit because they would love to see the EU lose power in global politics. May is trying to approach the Brexit calmly, so naturally 101101, Putin, and other hard-righters in the UK would want her gone!

    101101 claims Bernie won the primary which he didn't. In this post, he seems to favor Trump over Hillary because Hillary didn't like Iran or Russia and would therefore start WWIII. He says that he doesn't blame Russia for their interference in our election. He uses the typical Russian tactic of relativism to say "Sure, Russia is bad, but the US would do the same thing!"

    So how about EVs?

    We know 101101 hates EVs and doesn't own one himself. He seems to have no plan to own one. Is his real goal to try to sow discontent and division among EV activists? :eek:

    He is on an EV forum hating on and spreading lies about all EVs and car manufacturers that aren't Tesla. But he only "loves" Tesla in the same way the other Russian trolls "loved" Bernie and Trump. Similar to the tactics used by Russia to support the fringe and disenfranchised citizens of a society on social media in order to sow chaos.

    I think there is far more evidence for my conspiracy theory than any of yours. ;) Just stop wasting our time, 101101. You would have better luck peddling your Putin-sanctioned lies on Electrek's comment section.
     
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  4. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    Yes
     
  5. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    Don't twist it. Hillary won the popular election by 3 million votes. The reason she didn't challenged the EC override on the ground of vote fraud and Russia meddling is because she did in FACT lose the primary by a landslide to Bernie and that would have come up, undermining her case.

    If Trump had not changed his mind on debating Bernie it would be Bernie in office. What happened seems very clear, Anonymous made good on its threat regarding Hillary over Assange and released the emails to the electoral college and those emails very likely made clear that war in Iran (high risk of WWIII over conflict was Russia) was on the agenda same agenda Romney had- Hillary had become the new Romney both being pushed and funded (ironic idiocy there) by two Mid Eastern Adversary states and if Russia interfered as the US always does it was out of self interest but an interest that aligned with saving the world from a radically increased risk of nuclear war for something as obsolete and useless as petrol. If you don't understand this stuff- I am not advocating him or his polices but you can look at his back ground and note that he ran for President in the US- just look up Richard David Steele's comments on the same or if you need more credibility in a supporting way (not aware that he says the same things) look up Paul Jay's work and draw your own conclusions.

    But on Hillary she went far right on politics, and on economics was only a nominal leftest on social policy and had become post head banging or maybe slightly before a Neocon for all intents and purposes. Her policies were horrible, NG as a bridge fuel- total bought and paid for but what do you expect from a NG sales woman under Cheny. She would have raised taxes on the rich by a mere trillion over a period where the country would bring in 200 trillion- beyond pathetic, she was way right of Obama who was right of Reagan in many ways. Even her logo had a the damn twin towers as the H in her name with a red arrow pointing to the right- meaning she wanting to swing way back to the right- right even of the W. Admin in many way or was signaling that. And maybe Trump was on the puppet train all along- after all the selection of Pence but at least he was a delay to the full idiot approach bringing back ultra right hardliners one who should be should be facing war criminal charges for W. admin stuff is a now a primary advisor. The USG is now in full capture mode as it was under the W. Admin and it ain't Russia that's captured its those two Mid East states and their less than useless petrol centered agendas that or horrible for everyone including themselves. Now I don't personally accept nationalism or even the idea of countries and states and all that (I get the impulse to treat people like domesticated animals- but I think its akin to murder and think we long ago out grew it) but if you subscribe to the nationalist agenda especially on the right this captured agenda is pure Treason with a capital T., in the sense it was never worked with in American history even when politicians were selling out our troops to the English.

    Its was much harder to say the O. admin was captured, but the W. admin and now the T. admin even beyond the appointment of Tillerson seem fully captured as is obvious with the new agenda, because its beyond just the stupid insane suicidal petrol focus to the capture by the two neighbor adversary states from the Mid East where groups within both are the only ones that stand to gain from using the US in a club this way. Again why fight over a patently obsolete resource, why cause the death of more than the number that died and Iraq and why put everyone's life at risk for this BS.
     
  6. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Maybe we were wrong about you, dude. Maybe it's not that you're just an "eccentric", to put it politely.

    Maybe you work for a Russian troll farm. If you get paid for it, that would explain why you spend so much time constantly starting new threads to make long posts full of nothing but nonsense and conspiracy theories... and now even pro-Russian, anti-American propaganda.
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  7. Feed The Trees

    Feed The Trees Active Member

    IF Russia did meddle. Guffaw! Come on das komrade post bot you can do better than that. Red Oktober or die.

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  8. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    Right, the US is always right. Without this distraction BS Corbyn will undo all that Thatcher BS and bull doze the horrid useless monarchy, burn that crap to the ground. The Torries will pay massive taxes like they should and they won't be able to pretend they matter any more. As Corbyn starts to nationalize their welfare baron toll roads they are whining that its a human rights abuse to deny them the ability to exploit people. Corbyn will get another shot at trying Blair for war crimes.

    Without being able to cry fire the Torries are going to get destroyed and the British system and laws reworked in favor of equity and justice so a criminal class is doing what it does with trying to distract people with BS so it can avoid justice and equity.
     
  9. WadeTyhon

    WadeTyhon Well-Known Member

    Stop trying to distract us from Russia's BS. It's time Putin faces justice!
     
  10. WadeTyhon

    WadeTyhon Well-Known Member

    Tread carefully, comrades. 101101 has deep ties to the Kremlin.

    You know what happens to those who disobey Putin.
     
  11. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    Have often thought about why the USSR was able to essentially peacefully dissolve itself in 1989. Seems it was because 20 years prior the economic problem was solved (capitalism was over way ahead of schedule) and the US had become a top down centralized fully planned economy. The US has become what it always accused the Soviet Union of being. So where was the divide?
     
  12. Feed The Trees

    Feed The Trees Active Member

    Not just spam, Russian spam.

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  13. WadeTyhon

    WadeTyhon Well-Known Member

    It's mostly the same as regular American Spam. But it's past it's expiration date and you have to wait in line for 10 hours to get it.
     
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  14. WadeTyhon

    WadeTyhon Well-Known Member

    The USSR "disolved peacefully" because "capitalism" failed ahead of schedule? Wow... just wow. You're not even trying to hide it anymore! :p
     
  15. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    This all reminds me of a Bob Dylan tune that I love called To Ramona (the version on "The Other Side Of Dylan.) Specifically, the lyric that says, " I can see that your head has been twisted and fed, with worthless foam from the mouth."

    Like, I read the first post, and it seems completely devoid of any factual content. Methinks the OP should probably get off the internet for awhile. Which brings me to this other song.

     
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  16. Feed The Trees

    Feed The Trees Active Member

    At least Russian spam does away with that nasty jelly and replaces it with vodka.
     
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  17. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    We can call it spam, but we've had 2 Presidents and 2 presidential candidates in the US that have wanted to go into Iran and risk nuclear war over the US's washed up petrol ego and over the in unison voice of two bitter enemies Israel and Saudi Arabia that also want the US going into Iran and are driving policy because its policy for purchase which is beyond stupid. Iran trades Euros instead of dollars for petrol and that's already enough reason for US petrarchy to want to invade- but surely its hankering for another on cue false flag induced petrol bail out war and this time in Iran which risks nuclear war with Russia and again for what (?) obsolete petrol and the religious fanaticism of those two countries? And lets say it were possible to install another puppet government in Iran (just like after the fall of Mosedek because Iran nationalized its petrol) what would be next, it would be Saudi Arabia even though it has had a nuclear installment and has a peace treaty with Israel. You have to be stupid to think Russian wants nuclear war even if a renewable energy revolution as pushed by the China and many US states and much of the US population would be terrible for Russia's current backwards petrol economy- no way anyone there wants that- it seems you only find politicians that dumb in the US.

    I'd personally like to live in a world with out a middle east and without the mid eastern claim on history or its outrageous lock on US media e.g., the rich are evading taxes but lets focus on the mid east constant distraction.... I know that a world without a Mid East is a logical and practical impossibility but I don't give a damn about the religious or political claims or any claim that isn't humanitarian. Despite being the factual or historical cradle of much of claimed civilization and despite having family that comes from the area I don't care for the history of endless wars- granted some pretty geography, some gorgeous women, some great food and great mystics.... but taking the focus off the mid east is just another great reason to get rid of petrol and advice to anyone that currently lives there that wants to make a difference is to do it at least in part by expatriating out of that perpetual war zone or marry someone from an opposition culture or both. Also don't want any children harmed to protect the area's useless feuds including American children- allowing this is just mercenary and a function of intentionally impoverishing American children to the point that they get caught up in a defacto draft for causes and solutions that simply aren't worth it.

    I don't think the Republican party survives Trump, but there is no way they'd survive or even get off the ground with another stupid mid east war, I don't think they'd get through it with another false flag even one 1000x worse than 911. I see the next attempt back firing on them in the worst way- if Bernie had got in there was a chance Bush and Cheny would have been before tribunals over Iraq and 911. The Republican party was dead after Katrina so was the right and hard right in the country, its just no one told them. I see their utter implosion in the US and the UK, they just aren't aware of what is coming. You can't have fools in power, soon it will be impossible to have people like Ryan, Rubio, Cruz, Walker- people can always change but you have to have honest people with good intentions. Trump is a marginal republican but Trump was literally the best they've had in a long time actually a lot better than Romney but now he too is pushing Iran.
     
  18. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    • Please do not escalate towards attacking users - admin
    That shocks you because you likely don't read and never bothered to get an education and think Fox news is a substitute - yep economics as religion. Lower class WASPs have become about the least informed people on the planet because of a culture of willful ignorance. If yah listen to Limbaugh you're a sheeple, its definition of sheep or victim. If you're able to listen to Limbaugh its like you've reached a level of having zero capacity to recognize honest discourse. If you'er listening to Alex Jones you're doing better. If your listening to David Iche that's better but still a bit twisted on petrol. Russia Today and Aljazeera are way more accurate than Fox or KFI even with their conflicts, more accurate than NBC on areas like Tesla. Have to go to Jay's Real News Network for better stuff.
     
  19. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Seriously, RT (Russia Today)? Dude, if you were trying to remove the last shreds of doubt that you're a paid Russian troll, then that accomplishes that pretty effectively.

    Quoting from Wikipedia:

    RT has been frequently described as a propaganda outlet for the Russian government and its foreign policy. RT has also been accused of spreading disinformation by news reporters, including some former RT reporters. The United Kingdom media regulator, Ofcom, has repeatedly found RT to have breached rules on impartiality and of broadcasting "materially misleading" content. On 13 November 2017, RT America officially registered as a "foreign agent" with the United States Department of Justice under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.​

    We get all our info from Fox News? :rolleyes: Dude, I learned about the shocking amount of waste in the Soviet economic system, which caused the collapse of the Soviet Union, long before anybody ever thought of creating a Fox News Network. The waste inherent in a "centrally planned" economy is why both Russia and China have moved strongly in the direction of capitalism.

    I credit Rachel Maddow on MSNBC (about the polar opposite of Fox News, except they prefer real facts, unlike Fox News and its "alternative facts") with pointing out that one of the two major goals of Vladimir Putin's propaganda is to try to portray the U.S. and other Western democracies as "just as bad as Russia", to make the despotic way he runs Russia look better by comparison. Rachel, despite being a moderately far-left liberal, isn't exactly a fan of Russia.

    Your comments, 101101, are right out of Putin's playbook. Exactly and precisely. Looks like you're earning your troll farm paycheck, altho if I were your supervisor, I'd fire you for being so very obvious about it.
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  20. WadeTyhon

    WadeTyhon Well-Known Member

    The idea that he thinks most people arguing him could stand to watch Fox News for even 5 minutes is how insanely out of touch with Americans he is. :rolleyes: PBS/NPR for watching and listening... MSNBC, Reuters or CNN for reading on the web.

    He prefers Alex Jones? Russia Today? Is he freaking kidding me?

    No wonder his opinions are so warped. It's so obvious that he's either a Russian troll or at best he's being con-trolled by Russian propaganda. I am thinking the former though, not the latter.
     
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