Recommendations for battery charging

Discussion in 'Cooper SE' started by Luis Abreu, Jun 5, 2020.

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  1. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Remember, for the fastest Level 2 charging of your SE you'll need an EVSE capable of delivering 7400 Watts. 7400W / 240V = 30.8A, so a 32-Amp EVSE would be sufficient. Alternatively, if you can get the power company to jack up your line voltage to 247 Volts (not likely), you can achieve the max charging speed with a 30-Amp EVSE.
     
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  3. GDOG

    GDOG Member

    On a somewhat related topic, has anybody taken precautions on securing the exterior charger from theft? My electrician recommended hardwiring to deter theft. I've also seen someone install metal straps over the charger to prevent it being ripped off the wall. This actually seems more secure than just a hard wired connection. Thoughts?
     
  4. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member Subscriber

    I've never heard of someone stealing an EVSE, but I don't know many people with EVs other than InsideEV forum members. A vandal can wreak havoc that a thief would not attempt for fear of damaging their booty. Hardwiring eliminates your options if you want to take your EVSE on a trip. Google found this British EV cable company website with ideas.
     
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  5. F14Scott

    F14Scott Well-Known Member

    How about installing the unit indoors and running the cable through the wall to outside?

    It might mean disassembling the whole thing to unscrew the cable from the contacts so it can be threaded through a small hole and/or conduit, vice having to bore a giant hole that would fit the J1772 nozzle.

    You could then mount a cable hanger outside, or even a wall-mounted, lockable box in which to store the cable and nozzle.

    I have my Tesla's charger inside my garage, but I ran the cable to my driveway through the bottom corner gap of my garage for a while, until I got the garage cleaned out and ready for the car.
     
  6. GDOG

    GDOG Member

    Thanks for all the feedback. I've decided to install the exterior 220 outlet in a metal RV type enclosure that accepts a padlock. The charger itself snaps into a plastic mounting bracket and lifts off super easy. Since most of the charger is plastic, seems futile to secure the charger. A thief would have to cut the power cord which I'm guessing would be an electrifying experience.
     
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  8. tom stewart

    tom stewart New Member

    the three amperage options are something like low, reduced and maximum. I cannot find anywhere these generic levels corresponding to the available amperage of the house socket. Anybody find a rule of thumb on this?
     
  9. F14Scott

    F14Scott Well-Known Member

    When I get my SE delivered, I should be able to deduce the draw of the different levels by seeing how my two, connected Tesla chargers share the load (which would mean I watch my Tesla's screen as it charges at 48A and see how it drops when I attach the SE). It would be even easier if someone had a "smart" connector that reports throughput directly.

    Anybody with an SE using a smart wall connector?
     
  10. MichaelC

    MichaelC Well-Known Member

    According to the owner's manual, it depends on the maximum ampere rating of the Level 1 charging cable delivered with your SE:
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    No idea how it relates to Level 2 charging, as that isn't covered in the manual as far as I can tell.
     
  11. F14Scott

    F14Scott Well-Known Member

    And, also, the amperage of the socket and associated breaker/circuit.

    A "regular" 15A house socket should not exceed 80% (12A) for continuous use, so if that's what is in one's garage, the car's setting should be set to a max of 12A, regardless of the connector's capacity.

    If one's garage has 20A sockets (and, presumably, breakers), then one could set the car's draw at a maximum of 16A and be OK.

    One other thing. If your garage has 15A sockets, they are likely wired like other rooms in the house, daisy-chained on a single 15A breaker. Two dangers come from this:

    1) If you're charging your car at 12A on one socket in the chain, and your garage freezer kicks on and draws from another socket in the chain, you are now overloading the circuit and relying on the breaker to heat up and trip before the wires heat up and catch your wall on fire. It's a race you should not want to be running.

    2) Lots of sockets on a daisy-chain increase the odds that one or more of their connections are loose, creating a point of resistance that will heat up quickly, and might be heating up in an area that is not near the active socket, masking the imminent failure. Not good.

    So, most BEV people recommend that, if one is going to regularly use a wall socket to drive a connector, vice a hard-wired connector, it be on its own breaker and not be daisy-chained to other sockets.
     
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  13. MichaelC

    MichaelC Well-Known Member

    Everything @F14Scott says is correct and wise, and likely why the SE is delivered with the charge current setting at the lowest level.

    Also beware of your garage door opener, if you have one. That's another very high current draw to be aware of (albeit brief), and may not be on a dedicated circuit.
     
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  14. Puppethead

    Puppethead Well-Known Member

    I have been using the Eve Energy smart outlet (North American version), which has worked great. My garage is on a 20A circuit (garage opener on separate circuit), but the maximum the SE will draw is 15A so I figured this would suffice, and it hasn't even gotten warm.

    I've been charging at "maximum" Level 1 and it has been drawing close to 15A. Here's a consumption graph for one charge session:

    SE Level 1 08-21-2020.jpeg
     
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  15. Puppethead

    Puppethead Well-Known Member

    There is very little in the manual about Level 2 charging, but the car has two settings for Level 2: "reduced" or "maximum". When I got my SE it was set to "reduced" by default, and there's no indication what the amperage is.
     
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  16. F14Scott

    F14Scott Well-Known Member

    Does the MINI phone software allow adjusting/monitoring/starting/stopping/measuring charging? Now that you are on the bleeding edge, I'd love to hear about phone app connectivity. :D
     
  17. Puppethead

    Puppethead Well-Known Member

    The app is working great, although I haven't explored everything yet. I've been using it to check on charge status with my meager Level 1 charging.

    You can use it to monitor charging as well as open/close windows/hatch, lock/unlock car, and control the climate. You can schedule charging but I don't see a way to change the charge rate, that seems to be controlled only in the vehicle.

    I made sure to pair my phone with my SE at the dealer before I left to make sure it was all set. Had no problem.
     
  18. tom stewart

    tom stewart New Member

    ahh. Thank you. I didnt get the graph the first time I read it. I have a dedicated 20 amp so I think max level 1 is fine for me although its painfully slow. My SE replaces my Fiat 500e which was not as fun to drive but charged 3x faster on 110.
     
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