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Read Battery Capacity Yourself (Autel AP200 Breakthrough)

Discussion in 'Clarity' started by MrFixit, Nov 8, 2020.

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  1. Jan 28, 2021 #41
    insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Ann Arbor
    I'm pretty sure this forum would erupt with joy (as will happen in Detroit when the lowly Lions win the Super Bowl) and the word would spread like wildfire if there was any reasonably-priced way to obtain this holy number.
     

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  2. Jan 29, 2021 #42
    ManKo

    ManKo Member

    I submitted a ticket to Blue Driver about this capability. Here was their response.

    Thanks for contacting us! Unfortunately, these are not standard OBDII live data PIDs and are not currently supported by BlueDriver. We will be working on 'enhanced' or manufacturer live data for your vehicle in the future, but there aren't currently any firm timelines for when this will be complete.

    New features are added in order of demand so I'll record your vote!

    If you have a Blue Driver I suggest you also submit this feature request. It sounds like the more requests they get for this the higher on the priority list it goes.
     
  3. Jan 29, 2021 #43
    izudin

    izudin Member

    MA
    I have a BlueDriver and just submitted the same request.
     
  4. Jan 29, 2021 #44
    izudin

    izudin Member

    MA
    This is the reply I just got:

    Hello!

    You're the second person to ask this today about this exact vehicle.
    Unfortunately, these are not standard OBDII live data PIDs and are not currently supported by BlueDriver. We will be working on 'enhanced' or manufacturer live data for your vehicle in the future, but there aren't currently any firm timelines for when this will be complete.
    New features are added in order of demand so I'll record your vote!
     
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  5. Jan 29, 2021 #45
    Nutven

    Nutven New Member

    Well, I'm going to give it try this weekend. I bought a keyfob at Amazon and will try to program it this weekend with my AP200, I will report if I was successful or not.

     
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  6. Jan 30, 2021 #46
    ManKo

    ManKo Member

    Hahaha, nice! Keep em coming folks.
     
  7. Jan 30, 2021 #47
    Ohliuw

    Ohliuw Active Member

    It’s not rocket science. The Fortin guys in Montreal figured out who come up with ICE remote starter for RAV4 Prime just in a couple of days (someone left them their Prime for couple of days), so yeah...
     
  8. Jan 30, 2021 #48
    Ohliuw

    Ohliuw Active Member

    just tell them there are about few thousand folks here waiting to pull the trigger. I am sure that we can all place preorders if they commit to getting the data in timely manner.
     
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  9. Jan 30, 2021 #49
    MrFixit

    MrFixit Well-Known Member

    Maryland
    Although it may be nice to have a 2nd option, the AP200 is clearly farther along as they have already demonstrated this functionality.
    As discussed above, I am monitoring the situation and will post here when they release the firmware publicly.
     
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  10. Jan 31, 2021 #50
    Ohliuw

    Ohliuw Active Member

    FYI the AP200 is on sale at Princess Auto for $80CAD. Not as good as $70, but ai might just buy it and keep it in the box for a month or so in case AP releases the update. No brainer with the PA return policy.

    @MrFixit did you ask them for update?
     
  11. Jan 31, 2021 #51
    MrFixit

    MrFixit Well-Known Member

    Maryland
    When they provided me with the beta code (which I tested for them in November), they told me they were combining this with many other unrelated fixes and expected to release the next version in 1Q21. I am monitoring to see if a new release comes out, and if I don't see one by the end of 1Q (end of March), I will begin to bug them. I had established a good rapport with one of their engineers and I do not want to annoy them with multiple inquiries.
     
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  12. Jan 31, 2021 #52
    Ohliuw

    Ohliuw Active Member

    oh, I missed this - you had working unit? Did you switch back to prod code or still running the dev?
     
  13. Jan 31, 2021 #53
    MrFixit

    MrFixit Well-Known Member

    Maryland
    I am still running the beta code (checked my capacity just yesterday):)

    Before you get any ideas... The code was pushed to my device.
    I tried (unsuccessfully) to identify where it resides, and whether it was possible to distribute it to someone else.

    Now, if anyone happens to be in the Maryland area, I would be happy to read their battery capacity !
     
  14. Jan 31, 2021 #54
    Ohliuw

    Ohliuw Active Member

    no rush here. I will buy one from PA and patiently wait it out.

    just curious - does it only show the battery capacity or you can get more like individual cell status?

    Also, how did the capacity change over time - I looked at your PDFs and it showed 49ish - how old is your car and what is the mileage? This is about 90% capacity
     
  15. Jan 31, 2021 #55
    MrFixit

    MrFixit Well-Known Member

    Maryland
    I published the PDF's early in the thread which demonstrate the entirety of the data that I found to be available.
    From what I understand, there is a lot of information down to the cell level, but I did not see anything implying individual cell capacities.

    I purchased my vehicle in November 2018 and I got an initial reading from the dealer of 55.1 aH at that time.

    My next reading opportunity did not come until working this out with Autel, so all I have so far is this:

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    My driving profile is roughly 75% EV operation.

    With such limited data, I do not know if there is a seasonal element to this measurement. I plan to do this regularly now, and when others can get up to speed with this, we can collectively learn a lot about battery performance.
     
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  16. Jan 31, 2021 #56
    Ohliuw

    Ohliuw Active Member

    Cool. If the loss is roughly linear, it appears that thus far you lost about 3am per 7500 EV miles.

    I am more or less at the same amount of EV miles, but less ICE. Can’t wait to check
     
  17. Jan 31, 2021 #57
    Robert_Alabama

    Robert_Alabama Well-Known Member

    @MrFixit , my car will be an interesting comparison. I bought a 2018 in July of 2018. I have almost 20k on it with 70% EV.
     
  18. Jan 31, 2021 #58
    Landshark

    Landshark Well-Known Member

    Oregon 2019 Touring PHEV
    At that rate, we’ll all be getting new batteries, under warranty after 50K EV miles.
     
  19. Feb 1, 2021 #59
    MrFixit

    MrFixit Well-Known Member

    Maryland
    I don't think anyone expects battery degradation to be 'linear'.
    Be careful - In my opinion, it is just not possible to infer any kind of a trend from my data with the 2 year gap right from the start.
     
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  20. Feb 1, 2021 #60
    Ohliuw

    Ohliuw Active Member

    There is some data for Tesla batteries, but obviously it’s easier to interpret as there it’s 100% EV.

    We will have to get organized with the data entry form once we star collection.

    btw, the princess auto promo goes til the end of the month
     
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