Questions for Rivian

Discussion in 'Rivian' started by Domenick, Dec 21, 2018.

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  1. Tom SD

    Tom SD New Member

    we all want info just no need to get upset about it 2 years out.. you'll have an aneurism. if we go 6months without any substantial more info then i will join you in frustration

    i wish they had waited 6-12 more months before saying anything as wait going to be excruciating... i say this after doing several kickstarter/preorder things that have always ran late.

    at least more time to save $
     
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  3. RLXXI

    RLXXI Active Member

    Why do you assume I'm upset? Can you read minds over the internet? I'm not upset in the least. I get a little annoyed when people that don't know me or how I feel assume they do however. ;)

    Never been burned by a kickstarter before? I have so my train of thought leans towards the negative side if that helps you or anyone else understand.
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    Now does anyone else wish to question my motives or offer advice? Keep it to yourself unless it's definitive information on this product please and thank you.
     
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  4. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Well, let's look at your list:

    1) This info is held as a trade secret by all EV makers, so Rivian clearly won't divulge any data on this, beyond what the battery pack warranty implies.

    2) This subject was discussed not long ago on in the Clarity section of this forum. It was pointed out that, generally speaking, EV makers don't make replacement packs available except as a warranty replacement, and therefore don't cite a price. The consensus was that it wouldn't even make sense for most EV makers to list a price for replacement battery packs for a new model of EV. By the time a significant number of people would need an out-of-warranty replacement, it would be several years later and the price would have fallen quite a bit, and there is no way for the EV maker to predict a price years in advance. Furthermore, with battery cells in short supply, it's no surprise most EV makers don't want to sell you a replacement pack. They would much rather sell you a new car instead! The exception here is the Leaf, which experiences a lot of premature battery fading. I think Nissan is the only EV maker which, after several years, has actually started listing a price for a replacement battery pack... and that's because, unfortunately, a lot of customers need one. We will hope that Rivian doesn't have the same problem!

    4) The most likely case is that Rivian will equip the R1T and R1S for CCS charging. A startup like Rivian certainly isn't going to build its own proprietary system of fast-chargers as Tesla has done. Even Tesla sold the original Roadster, and started selling the Model S, without any Superchargers available for use. Since Rivian almost certainly won't build its own fast-charging stations -- or at the very least won't do so for some years -- and won't have any control over the availability of CCS fast-chargers, then it makes no sense for them to try to give detailed info about them.

    6) A trade-in allowance on your old car would be negotiated with the individual car dealer, so again there's no way that Rivian would be able to give any meaningful info on that. The most they would be able to say is either "Yes, our dealers will take trade-ins" or "No, we will be doing only direct sales, so (like Tesla) we won't accept trade-ins".

    Therefore, RLXXI, of your seven questions, for at least two you are almost guaranteed to get no answer at all, and for another two you'll almost certainly get, at best, a one-sentence answer with no details at all.
     
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  5. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Because you started one of your posts with "What is wrong with you people...", and then included this bit: "...keep your opinions to your selves I do not require it nor want it."

    Perhaps you didn't realize how such negative comments would come across to others.

    This is a social media site, where conversations and responses to other peoples' comments are expected and encouraged. If you want people to keep their opinions to themselves, then you have definitely chosen the wrong venue to express your comments.

     
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  6. Poorpilot

    Poorpilot Member

    To add to the charging network comment: Rivian has stated as recently as last week that they will use a mixture of their own network as well as 3rd party vendors that are are already established and/or installing a charging network, ie Blink, Chargepoint, Electrify America, etc. I suggest the app or website PlugShare.com and you can filter the different types of charging stations available all over the place. Choose J1772 or CCS/SAE and watch the magic around you.

    You can always charge at home as well, but it might be at a much slower rate depending on your setup.
     
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  8. Tom SD

    Tom SD New Member

    yep, and for direct quotes, on twitter: https://twitter.com/Rivian/status/1080858947463114754
    "The #R1T and #R1S can fast DC charge at up to 160kW. This delivers approx. 200 miles of range in 30 mins."
    "We will be building some of our own charging infrastructure, including many of the outdoor destinations for which our vehicles are designed. #ElectricAdventure"
    "Beyond our own charging stations, we are using the CCS standard charger so we can partner with other manufacturers and the rapidly expanding independent networks to make charging accessible to #Rivian owners."
     
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  9. RLXXI

    RLXXI Active Member

    Aside from question #4 when a Rivian rep gives out the information I'll listen, everything else is opinion, speculation and/or hear say.
     
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  10. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    There was a very interesting (if much, much too long) video which I watched yesterday, which included a discussion of Rivian. What was claimed was that Rivian is trying to market an "outdoor adventure vacation" package, and include their truck as part of the deal. That makes no sense to me; that would seem to appeal to people who would want to rent an offroad vehicle, not buy one. Given that marketing approach, I can understand why they would have plans to build their own charge points in remote locations, altho destination chargers would seem to fit that business model better than DC fast chargers.

    As one of the guys in the video discussion said, the "outdoor adventure vacation" package business plan seems rather questionable. I hope Rivian succeeds, but this doesn't seem like the path to success.

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    If you want to watch the relevant section of the video discussion, skip to the last section, following the closing credits. (Sorry, I didn't write down the start time.)

     
  11. RLXXI

    RLXXI Active Member

    Didn't watch the video but what you describe sounds very much like what Ford does when you buy a Raptor, they give you an off road package where they show you the limits of the vehicle off road.

    Information on this link https://www.raptorassault.com/en/
     
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  13. Tom SD

    Tom SD New Member

    imagine similar for jeep buyers? throw in jamboree tickets or something
     
  14. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    One of the guys in the Autoline discussion did mention in passing that Land Rover had tried something similar in the past, but I don't know the details, or how much of a success (or failure) that was for them. Presumably, though, if it was a big success then they would still be doing that.

     
  15. Tid

    Tid New Member

    My question is, are they planning to go public, and if so, when is the IPO?
     
  16. Tid

    Tid New Member

    Another question. Are those awesome demo videos 100% real, or is there some CGI magic in there?
     
  17. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    All modern TV commercials for cars and pickups are "sweetened" with CGI. Cars in commercials now look impossibly perfect, in the way that no real car ever can be.

    I presume the same is true of this Rivian video.
     
  18. Tid

    Tid New Member

    That is a good point so I will rephrase the question. What I want to know is if a truck prototype was really being driven off-road in the clips where a truck is shown driving off-road.
     
  19. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't venture to guess. But check out this InsideEVs article about a Rivian test mule:

    "Rivian Electric Truck Spotted Doing Some Serious Off-Roading"

     
  20. RLXXI

    RLXXI Active Member

  21. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    I guess you don't know what a test mule is. (Wikipedia calls it a "development mule".) I'm also guessing you didn't actually read the article.

    It's a testing vehicle that Rivian built, using a Ford pickup body, but putting its own powertrain, and perhaps its own suspension, into the vehicle.

     
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  22. RLXXI

    RLXXI Active Member

    You would guess correctly, I've never seen or heard of anyone doing that but I see now upon closer inspection the rear air suspension.
     
  23. I'm pretty sure that's actual footage of the truck offroad. As Pushmi mentioned it could be cleaned up digitally, but I think creating whole digital sequences would be far too expensive and probably wouldn't have a realistic look.
     

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