MINI SE electric

Discussion in 'BMW' started by Domenick, Jan 23, 2018.

  1. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    Good point about the hood scoop. I have to admit I didn't even notice it. Hopefully, they can give you a different hood from the factory, but I suspect that's a mod you'd have to make afterward.
     
  2. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member

    If they're already building the Mini Cooper SE on the same production line as the ICE-powered Minis, I naively believe they could simply click a check-box on a computer screen to substitute a 3-cylinder Mini hood. I don't want to have to buy my own hood and hope a local body shop can successfully match the OEM paint. What will I do with the hood with the blocked-off scoop? Maybe I can find the owner of a 2019 3-cylinder Mini Hardtop who would want to trade to make his/her Mini look like a Cooper S.

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  3. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member

    Here's a nice intro video to the MINI Cooper SE (or the more logically named "MINI Electric" in Europe).

    In the video, Oliver Heilmer, MINI Head of Design, says, "Therefore, we were able to focus on details like the grille so we do have still the hexagonal shape, but due to the fact that there is not a combustion engine behind, we need much less air. So a perfect design element for us. It’s almost closed and with just one horizontal bar as an air intake."

    Later in the video, Heilmer says they put a lot of work into designing aerodynamic wheels for this car.

    Now to continue my ranting about the bogus hood scoop (bonnet scoop?): If the head designer says they don't need any more air than the one bar in the closed grille provides, the blocked hood scoop makes even less sense. Not only does it reduce the car's aerodynamic efficiency, it degrades the car's appearance because it's superfluous. All of the car's other design elements are there for a purpose. The hood scoop is only there to make it clear that this is a version of the Mini Cooper S. Would the buyer of this car be unhappy if it didn't look like an S? This prospective buyer resents this electric car including a design element created only to increase the performance of an internal combustion engine.
     
  4. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Be aware that huge grilles are very popular in China, and have been for some years. Given the large and growing segment of the EV market in China, it's not surprising that many auto makers will appeal to that with large faux grilles on their EVs.

     
  5. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member

    Then the Chinese MINI Cooper SE won't need a fake hood scoop, either.

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  6. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member

    Here's a Moonwalk Gray electric MINI that doesn't sport the yellow side mirrors or the two yellow stripes on the "grille" seen in all of MINI's press photos. This car also isn't wearing the yellow-edged asymmetrical rims seen in those press photos (and on the orange MINI below). That yellow paint on the rims is just begging to be transferred to the nearest concrete curb. I pasted an image of this gray car's symmetrical wheel up in the corner.

    I found this electric Moonwalk Gray MINI in a YouTube video showing it traveling down the production line in Oxford, UK. Earlier, Domenick extracted an image of the underside showing the T-shaped battery configuration from the same video. Even though this British-bound right-hand drive edition will be called the "MINI Electric," it still says "Cooper S" on the hatch, just like the "MINI Cooper SE" coming to North America.

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    Midnight Black and Solaris Orange electric MINIs have also shown up on the web, but the final color palette has yet to be disclosed. The orange one must be an pre-production prototype because it has older headlights, yellow side scuttles, and it's missing the fake hood scoop. I like the black one a lot--especially if it can be ordered without a hood scoop (you knew I'd get that in).

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  7. interestedinEV

    interestedinEV Active Member

    My wife has only driven Minis for the last 12 years and we bought one recently. Would have loved to have bought this but it was not available and range may is little low.
     
  8. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member

    At the Frankfurt auto show this week, MINI is showing a new color (Lapisluxury Blue?) and different (17" MINI 502 Roulette Spoke) wheels on one of the two MINI Cooper SE cars they brought. Of course, the other one was painted in the usual white they've been showing since July 9th. Note that this blue SE has the toned-down appearance package for the Cooper SE; it doesn't include the Energetic Yellow accent stripes on the grille filler or the Energetic Yellow side mirrors.

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    Supposedly, there is a yet-to-be-seen 16" wheel unique to the Cooper SE that will look different from the optional Energetic Yellow-accented, unique-to-Cooper-SE 17" asymmetrical Corona wheel always seen on the white Cooper SEs.
     
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  9. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member

    Journalists writing about the MINI Cooper SE frequently mention the car's low-mounted, "T-shaped battery" that occupies the space between the front seats and the space under the rear seats. Despite hundreds of photos of this car--many from this week's auto show in Frankfurt, Germany--I couldn't find one that showed if tunnel enclosing the "T-shaped battery" extends all the way to the rear seats. None of the video or still photographers bothered to venture into the boring area behind the front seats.

    Lots of photos of the Cooper SE's front grille-filler. Lots of photos of the Cooper SE's unique instrumentation and switch-gear. Lots of photos of the Cooper SE's asymmetrical, yellow-accented 17" wheels. Many close-ups of this MINI's electric badging (OK, insightman, how long is this list going to be?). Where were the photos of the rear seat area? Some small people may sit there someday, after all.

    Finally, in an online French article comparing the MINI Cooper SE and the Honda e, the photographer directed his lens to the Cooper SE's rear seat area. I flunked French in high-school and I usually avoid French-language websites, but I overcame my self-inflicted Francophobia to discover this photo. It shows that a single cup-holder mounted on the floor occupies the space between the battery separating the front seats and the battery under the rear seats. So the battery is not actually T-shaped if you consider all 3 dimensions!

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    More questions arise: Does the battery always warm the rear seats and what's inside that bump between them? How many more Watts could have been stuffed into the tunnel if it had been extended all the way to the rear seats? And, as always, who can I pay off to deep-six the blocked-off hood scoop on this electric car? (Despite what this post may lead you to believe, I do actually have a life.)
     
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  10. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    At the risk of being pedantic, I think you meant "Watt-hours", not "Watts".

    No doubt you can find any number of customizing shops which would be happy to part you from your money to perform that modification to the hood.
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  11. T.C.

    T.C. New Member

    More questions arise: Does the battery always warm the rear seats and what's inside that bump between them? How many more Watts could have been stuffed into the tunnel if it had been extended all the way to the rear seats? [/QUOTE]

    The under chassis photo on post number 18 of this thread demonstrates a T shaped battery extending beneath the rear seating.
     
  12. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member

    Of course, you're correct. I was trying to be cute. I should have written Watt-hours.

    As for the hood, it would be so easy for MINI to install a base MINI hood as one of the many customization options they offer. I wrote to many people at MINI--including the head of MINI--saying that I'd happily pay extra for the less-expensive hood. All the MINIs go down the same production line (one every 67 seconds they claim), so it's not as if they would have to bring a base MINI hood to a separate building where they assemble the Cooper SE.

    I emailed the local body shop our MINI dealer uses to see how much it would cost to replace the hood and how much value the un-driven Cooper S hood might have, but they haven't responded (just another kook email, they correctly assumed). My wife doesn't mind the hood scoop, so I'd have to get it done before we take delivery and never tell her what it cost. I really like the look of the plain MINI hood more than I'm disturbed that an electric car would share the ICE-powered Cooper S's fake, blocked-off hood scoop.
     
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  13. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member

    The EV Specifications website has listed the three levels of MINI Cooper SE available in the UK with UK prices. They show Level I, Level II, and Level III. Perhaps those levels correspond directly to the Classic, Signature, and Iconic levels in the US. However, just as the agile production line can switch the steering wheel from one side to the other, it can probably mix and match the different components comprising the trim levels for different countries. Below is the list from the EV Specifications website with my comments in square brackets.

    Level I - £24,400
    • MINI Navigation including Apple Car Play, MINI Connected and public charging locations
    • Digital Cockpit
    • Customise your vehicle with a selection of paints and wheels
    • AC/DC Charging
    • Cruise control
    • Dual zone AC
    • [Rear view park assist camera isn't in this UK trim level, but it will be required equipment in the US]

    Level II - £26,400
    • Driving assistant pack (speed limit and traffic sign information, city collision mitigation for pedestrians, high beam assistance)
    • Rear view park assist camera
    • Comfort access [keyless unlocking and "ignition"]
    • Heated seats
    • Rear parking distance control
    • Additional paint and wheel options
    • Part leatherette interior

    Level III - £30,400
    • Navigation Plus includes larger touch screen [8.8" vs 6.5"]
    • Front and rear parking distance control; includes park assist so the car can park itself
    • Panoramic sunroof
    • Head up display
    • Harmon/Kardon speakers [but the same stereo, I guess]
    • Full leather interior
    • Additional paints and wheels available

    Pre-orders require a £500 deposit and include a Feel Good Guarantee. That means if you take MINI Electric [what the MINI Cooper SE is called in the UK] for a test drive and don't feel the good times, you'll get your deposit back.
     
  14. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Ah, I didn't realize that all Mini would need to do would be to use a different part that it already stocks. Thanks for explaining.

    It does seem strange they would put a hood with an air scoop on an EV, but then block off the air intake. I guess it's just a style choice, then.

    Seems like you should be able to find another Mini owner who would be happy to swap hoods, if your paint jobs match. Maybe advertise on Craigslist?

     
  15. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member

    As others have replied on other forums, ALL MINI hood scoops have been blocked off after BMW's 1st-gen MINI. Certainly, the base MINI's hood costs less to produce than one with a fake hood scoop so why not agree to charge me more for less?

    Here's what I just put in a letter to the MINI Head of Exterior Design in the UK, Thomas Sycha.

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    After bombarding 5 MINI executives with my plea, I should be receiving my cease-and-desist letter soon.
     
  16. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member

    MINI Cooper SE real-world range test (based on a story from the manufacturer and my hazy calculations): 146 miles per full charge.

    BMW made a big deal (press release) about their MINI E project manager, Elena Eder, driving the MINI Cooper SE from BMW's offices in Munich to the IAA car show in Frankfurt earlier this month. The MINI's GPS system agreed with Google Maps (does BMW use Google Maps?) that the length of the most advantageous route between the two cities is 400 km (248.6 miles). I guess it is sort of a big deal because I doubt any other car in the show was driven a long distance to get there.

    We can assume Ms. Eder's MINI's 32.6 kWh battery was fully charged as she set out from Munich. BMW claims the MINI Cooper SE can achieve 235 to 270 kilometres (146 to 167 miles) of EV range, based on some combination of manufacturer-friendly European testing methods. So Ms. Eder needed to stop along the the 248.6-mile route to charge her MINI Cooper SE.

    The press release says she charged her MINI to 80% of full charge, which was sufficient to ameliorate range anxiety: "When the car was charged on the way to the IAA, there wasn’t even time for dessert. Within just 35 minutes, the high-voltage battery – which had previously been almost fully depleted – was charged to 80 percent of its total capacity. This meant that there was more than enough power on board to tackle the second stage of the trip without any worries."

    I wonder how close to fully depleted "almost fully depleted" was? I'd be surprised if she wasn't accompanied by a BMW support vehicle that could provide charging (towing?) assistance if her battery (motor?) didn't make it all the way.

    The press release describes the end of the journey: "Finally, the MINI Cooper SE rolled into Hall 11 of the Frankfurt exhibition centre with sufficient residual range..." What is "sufficient residual range?" Was it the distance from the street through the loading dock to Hall 11?

    If Ms. Eder coasted powerless to the DCFC charging station, and then added 80% charge, she expended 180% of a full charge on her trip. Subtract, say, 10% for the sufficient residual range factor and we get 170% of a full charge used to go 248.6 miles. 248.6 miles/1.7 full charge = 146 miles for a full charge, which matches the low-end of the electric MINI's reported range range. (Now you must ask, did insightman write this entire post only so he could use the phrase "range range?")

    It would be nice if the press release revealed how much time Ms. Eder's trip required so we could calculate her average speed, which certainly would have had an effect on EV range. Back in the day, a group of people drove a gen-1 Honda Insight gas/electric hybrid at an average speed of 18 mph to go 2254.6 miles on a 10.6-gallon tankful of gasoline (for almost 213 mpg). I'm sure she drove faster than 18 mph, but how much faster?

    Here is a photo of Elena Eder charging her MINI Cooper SE on the road to Frankfurt (OK, so I Photoshopped out the hood scoop--arrest me!)

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