Got my booster

lol. Hospitalizations have been falling so what "few ICU beds" are you talking about?

 

Oh please. Did you spend all afternoon putting that together? You clearly have no idea why there are people who are hesitant about the vaccine.

Less than 2% of people who have been tested positive with the vaccine end up in hospitals. And that's assuming that the reported covid hospitalizations are actually people who contracted the virus then entered into the hospital. It says nothing about how many people who where already in the hospital that contracted the virus. Why is that important? Well, it affects the way people understand the actual risk of the virus - eg the overwhelming majority of the sickest people and the overwhelming majority of the people who die are either older or they have serious preexisting conditions ( like obesity). This rarely gets brought up in the media. Very odd. Literally every story is about vaccines only. Is this not at least a little strange?

The vaccine doesn't stop me from getting the virus, nor does it stop me from spreading the virus, nor does it significantly affect my chances of going to the hospital or dying. No point taking it. I also do not want to end up in a situation like Australia where they essentially live under covid totalitarianism. Go move there if you want more restrictions.

FYI, Matthew 7:5 is about self-righteousness and arrogance - both of which are issues you clearly have and its why you have no clue why some people disagree with you.

 

Your elementary school math teacher is no doubt embarrassed

The things you claim are rarely brought up are in fact brought up daily

700000 people dead, no doubt all people you deem defective

bwilson congrats on following logic and science, and helping protect others by lowering your chance of spreading the disease

 

lol. No. It is due to a lack of trust. Virtually all the fear stems from that. It has nothing to do with cowardice.

People don't trust the mainstream media because of the numerous lies they have told in the past and because of how extreme the bias is. Yes, I know fox news is biased, but you can't even entertain the idea that the rest of the mainstream media could be biased. This is true across all topics - including the pandemic. For example, labeling ivermectin a horse-dewormer when it is already commonly prescribed as parasite treatment in humans. The effectiveness of ivermectin as a treatment to covid is irrelevant to the point I am making. The point is that the media immediately acted like wan't effective before any conclusive studies were published. Strange behavior.

Secondly, the government has given inconsistent messaging throughout the whole pandemic. Biden promised to not issue vaccine mandates, and now he's trying to mandate them. Obviously, inconsistent government messages is not specifically a Democrat or Republican phenomenon. Both do it, which furthers the lack of trust that people have in the ruling institutions in general. Whatever, deny that all you want to.

A huge issue that is also contributing the lack of trust on this issue is the mass censorship of any analysis that doesn't automatically agree with vaccinating 100% of the population. How on earth is that good for science? It isn't. However, you don't care. Why? Because the media told you not to care or you just blindly assume that the truth will never get suppressed.

I'll give you an example of a different theory. Since the vaccine is not 100% effective and covid has shown itself to be a rapidly mutating virus, making 100% of the population get the vaccine may end up putting evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate to become more resistant to the vaccine, which would obviously be bad because it's impossible to develop new vaccines fast enough to stay ahead of the mutations to give to the sick and elderly. Which would end up causing more deaths in the long run. https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/
Sure, you'll probably argue that this dude is not credible (without at all engaging with whether or not the theory is valid), but can you articulate what makes a source credible that excludes this dude without resorting to an appeal to authority fallacy? Probably not.

Oh you mean statements like this:

No U. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/no-u

Why do you need to wear the mask and avoid people if you took the vaccine that is supposed to protect you? Doesn't that strike you as a bit odd? Strange behavior.

 

Embarrassed of what?

Oh really? Are they? Where are the PSAs about why obese people need to lose weight? If anything, you only see messaging to tell people to be ok with being obese.

No. Geez. If the overwhelming majority of the die with a positive covid test had serious pre-existing health conditions, it begs the question about which factor bears the most responsibility to the cause of death, which would obviously be the pre-existing conditions. It just means that it makes more sense to address the pre-existing health conditions, like obesity or smoking (I think about 10-15% of the adult population still smokes cigarettes.) or diabetes, because it would improve the overall health of these people and then their immune system could handle any novel illnesses better. Plus, it is misleading to just label a death as a covid death if the death was really more of a result of the pre-existing condition. It just skews the perception about the virus. Do you see why this is a problem?

 

Than I also see stupid people wearing a mask when in a car by themselves/ no one else in car. Or someone wearing mask outside walking with no one around.

I have been very vaccinated but I do not agree about the Vaccine passports . Restrict where people can go because they chose not to have vaccine.

from Our World in Data:

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

Oct 1/2021 mortality risk of Covid-19

Canada 1.71%
USA. 1.60%

So SouthernDude math was not that far off

Dan

 

If they were going to die anyway, there would be a corresponding drop below average after a peak. Skews the perception?
No , not at all
I get that you view these people as disposable, but they are not.

REmember also that many of these deaths were when significant measures were taken to prevent disease, masks, lockdowns, and no vaccines. Without the vaccine we would be dealing with hundreds of thousands of more cases and deaths

 

compared to massachusetts



Nope masks don't work, vaccinations don't work

 

The two things you ignore that make that low sounding number false

How many people died last year?

What did they die of?

That 1.6 number sounds really low, but the problem is you are mentally comparing it to nothing, 100 percent is not an option
And what would those numbers look like if we did nothing, rather than the fairly drastic actions we took
1.6 percent of a 100 percent infection rate is pretty dire
As in 5 million dead

 

Excess deaths Texas vs Mass
Masks, we don't need no stinkin masks

 

lol. How on earth are you getting this from what I'm saying? I am literally saying that it makes sense to reduce the prevalence of preventable chronic health problems so that people would have stronger immune systems. In other words, getting people more healthy overall means that less people will die from any novel virus - especially if there isn't any treatment available yet. How on earth is that viewing people as disposable? Geez.

No. Any dips wouldn't necessarily have to happen right after the peak. Why would it? There's no guarantee that any number of the excessive deaths would all die at the same time anyways, so the effect on the number of deaths in the future can take on different shapes as a response. What isn't changing is the fact that the majority of the people who died had serious pre-existing conditions.

Exactly, none of the lockdown measures or mask mandates did anything. The vaccine is more effective for the old and sick, so it makes sense for them to take it. However, it doesn't make sense to get the whole population to take the vaccine because healthier people have a very small risk of hospitalization or death. We already do this with flu vaccines - specifically target the sick and old with them. There's a reason why the flu vaccine isn't administered to the whole population every year and it isn't because of logistics either.

The covid vaccine isn't 100% effective and the virus mutates rapidly. Why create a mandate that effectively puts evolutionary pressure on the virus to become more resistant to the vaccine? That literally makes the problem worse down the road because now you have the virus and then less effective protection for the sick and elderly. Makes no sense. Like I said before, I am a healthy 30 year old. No sense in me taking it.

I would argue that the pre-existing conditions were a bigger contributing factor to death. That and old age.

Yes, that 1.6% is true. Total number of deaths with covid in 2020: 350,000 (your chart rounded up). Total positive covid cases recorded: 20,511,112

Do the math: ( 350,000 / 20,511,112 ) * 100 = 1.7%

But remember, there are huge numbers of people who actually had covid, but never got tested because they had mild symptoms. This would push that percentage even lower.
However, if you look at the death data, it is very clear that the overwhelming majority of deaths (like 95%+) are the old and sick. Same with hospitalizations. If only the younger, healthy people got vaccinated, the reduction in deaths and hospitalizations would only be slight. If only the older and sick got vaccinated, then the deaths and hospitalizations would significantly reduce.

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimates-covid-hospitalization-risk.aspx

Check out this article. It is actually half decent. I do not prefer partisan divides because they are dumb, but I am still actually surprised it actually got published. Basically, democrats overwhelmingly over estimate the risk of hospitalizations for unvaccinated people because they blindly trust the fear propaganda from the mainstream media and republicans vastly underestimate the effectiveness of the vaccine because most of them just assume that the polar opposite of what the mainstream media says is true (which the opposite of what the MSM says is true most of the time).


For added measure, this would be the death percentage based on total population. The total US population is estimated to be about 330 million people in the 2020 census (probably higher, but whatever). The total deaths attributed to covid from the chart you linked from 2020 is 350k. Now, I will do some very favorable math: ( 500k / 300 million ) * 100 = 0.167% .

If you use the real numbers : ( 350,000 / 330,000,000 ) * 100 = 0.106%

 

Sorry, you list of fallacious assumptions is too long to bother with

Virtually everything you stated is false

Seriously

Ridiculous

facts are facts

One thing, the comparison of excess deaths ends before most people were vaccinated

masks and lockedowns work and saved lives

period

 

lol. I get it now. Epic troll.