EVs Vs ICE Vehicles

Actually have never seen one. Much as I like many BMW’s up North they are a “short term car” we get rid of them when either the service contract or warranty runs out. I think the Honda is going to be alright. I know it’s discontinued but the same drive train is going into the new Breeze/CRV built in China. It’s probably what they should have done to begin with as sedans are dying. And maybe teach the dealers what they have and how to sell it.

 

I am not in the business of selling my 2019 Std Rng Plus Model 3 against other EVs (like some who do.) Rather, the real targets are ICE cars whether gasoline, diesel, or fuel cell. So the right answer is identify and target our common enemy ... ignorance!

 

I am not in the business of selling my 2019 Std Rng Plus Model 3 against other EVs (like some who do.) Rather, the real targets are ICE cars whether gasoline, diesel, or fuel cell. So the right answer is identify and target our common enemy ... ignorance!

 

As noted in other posts, the Why for the slow change is so multi-level. Some regular consumers are probably beginning to think about EV's if they are in the ballpark of changing vehicles and have a upper income. Most don't give a second of thought because their auto budget is under 10 grand. Others can afford more but at the moment there isn't an EV type in the used market that works for them. For all of those people, which is a lot, EV's will be many years getting to those owners and they can't consider it anyway until they see a place to recharge pretty much every single parking spot they come across. Relatively few people can charge at home or work.

I can charge my used Bolt at home but we can't yet have two EV's because so many places in the US that only ICE can get us to. I wish the DC charging would stop springing up on highways and start being installed where people arrive at. It's hard enough to find L2 in vacation area's and small towns. I can't take any EV to northern Wisconsin, Michigan, smoky mountains, etc. I can get there but once off the highway I can't explore my destination area for even one day if the lake cabin is 200 or more miles from the nearest charger. But without EV density in any area they aren't going to invest the capital in charge stations, and the locals can't charge so they can't buy EV's there. Big cities, sure. But the whole inner country, a long time coming.

 

This is where government needs to step in to speed the process. It needs to happen ASAP. Even though I mostly charge at home, I'm glad to be in California, which is ahead of the curve on EV charging.

 

Hello All,

I am new to the forum and will be getting my first EV hopefully June of next year. By using E85, I think I have begun to train my driving habits to switch easily to EV. E85 isn't available everywhere so you have to plan ahead. I think this is the biggest difference and source of hesitancy. How many people nowadays get into their car, enter a destination and TRUST Google Maps, Waze or the vehicles navigation to get them there with no effort? Being old enough to remember needing to keep a Rand McNally Road Atlas in my car you didn't go on a road trip without planning. Then there was no street level detail. Almost every exit before you get to it has signs that say whether gas, food and lodging are at the exit. Once "chargers" are added to these signs adaptation will move quicker.

My co-worker said however he wouldn't buy a Porsche Taycan because it doesn't have the "engine sound," even though it blows the doors off many supercars. I am a bit frustrated with the circular firing squad mentality of EV manufacturers and owners. The goal is to get people to EV, who cares which one.

 

You are right as usual Bob. To ignorance I will add conspiracy theories ranging from Elon Musk is an alien to ................
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Inconvenient-Truth-About-Electric-Vehicles.html
(It is an oil company publication)

Also remember, dealers, oil change shops, repair shops, gas stations, parts sellers and producers, etc. will find their business going down. How many Jiffy lubes or Exxon gas stations would you need if you did not have ICE. In the good old USA, how do we fight the demise of an industry? We lobby, we call others names, we create and disseminate conspiracy theories, ....

 

Well Elon Musk is an alien, but otherwise the point about ignorance is valid.

 

That article is from 2017 and it’s so funny to read right now, maybe funny back then too.

 

I know right...

 

Yes you are absolutely right, thanks for the response. mobdro

 

Humans have an innate tendency to stick with the familiar -- "the devil you know." Right now, EVs seem exotic and a bit scary to most folks. And a lot of misconceptions remain, and the media haven't done much to clear them up. teatv

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Nah - I understand globally we are already past peak ICE, led by China and Europe, and so past a tipping point, (though people in countries where "EVs seem exotic and a bit scary to most folks" lag in adopting EVs)

 

No, the devil is a liar! We've been manipulated by automakers. We are still being manipulated.

Siberia is on fire...

 

It's true that big car companies dragged their feet on EVs until very recently. But judging by the casual conversations I've had with ICE car owners since I went electric, the level of misinformation/confusion/mistaken assumptions in the U.S. is pretty staggering. And the news media have been of little help.

 

A few years ago on the Jay Leno show they had "Jay Walking." They asked random people on the street, "how many feet in a yard," frighteningly people didn't know. This isn't helping either.

 

I know you have to take martian Musks comments with a watt or two but looking at Tesla's Impact 2020 report is a real eye opener. 9 year old S models with 200,000 miles have only degraded batteries by about 10%. This is far from the what the average consumer or even ev owner think. And the recycle of batteries is at about 92% recovery. Again most think that once the batteries are done you need to mine another mountain of lithium. There is a pile of other information (its 100+ pages) that would open the eyes of many.

 

I suspect the Tesla Impact report is independently authored. It is a good summary of where Tesla has been the previous year.

Bob Wilson

 

As stated in video I watched last night, "battery technology right now is the worst it will ever be."

 

I looked for some information like an auditor's statement on a financial report and found on page 93 of the 2020 Impact Report - Appendix Line 1:
"Our data and methodologies have been collected and reviewed internally using relevant scientific and technical methodologies". Still very interesting, and good to see a section on the UN Sustainable Development Goals.