This long video, over an hour, is from Jonathan Berman, the author. Best skip to 4:30: A pretty technical discussion. There are studies about the anti-<subject>. My introduction was: https://skepticalscience.com There is no way to change their non-science beliefs. Once you realize their commitment to nonsense has no empirical science base, Matthew 14:10 - And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. It is a waste of time to try and separate a fool from their folly, Proverbs 27:22. Bob Wilson